Hardware & Technical CPU melting :(

Oever1

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Hi all!

I have a problem. The problem is that my CPU gets hot. 90 degrees Celsius (around 195 Fahrenheit). When it gets around that 90 degrees, I stop playing the game because I dont want the temperature to rise any higher.

My cpu is an i5-3570. Its not overclocked. In other games the highest temperature I got is around 80 degrees. When just browsing the internet and stuff like that my cpu temperature is around 50-55 degrees. If you need more specs let me know.

If someone has any suggestions how to fix this, or has similar problems, please let me know.

Thanks, Oever1
 

Sir.Tj

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I would be careful that you don't do permanant damage.

Have you checked the thermal paste on the CPU is ok and you are getting sufficient airflow to aid cooling? I.e are all the fans working?
 

Aleksej

Aleksej
Which cooler do you have? Can you control the fan speed? Is it a pre-built PC or you have assembled it yourself. Looks like the problem with thermal compound, most probably too much of it was applied.

Which case do you have? Do you have additional case coolers?
 

alexios

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T.j said:
Moved to hardware.
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You could run previous incarnations of Intel CPUs at temperatures close to this and not cause too much damage, but it wasn't recommended. My Q6600 often got quite hot in the Mediterranean summers, and my 2005 Thinkpad often hit 80°C while compiling. But it's not a good situation.

The OP's problem is definitely indicative of bad cooling though.
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Thermal paste, fans, size of case, cable congestion, dust are generally the problems. Do you have a graphics card sufficiently powerful to relieve the processor ?
 

Cosmos

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Oever1 said:
Hi all!

I have a problem. The problem is that my CPU gets hot. 90 degrees Celsius (around 195 Fahrenheit). When it gets around that 90 degrees, I stop playing the game because I dont want the temperature to rise any higher.

My cpu is an i5-3570. Its not overclocked. In other games the highest temperature I got is around 80 degrees. When just browsing the internet and stuff like that my cpu temperature is around 50-55 degrees. If you need more specs let me know.

If someone has any suggestions how to fix this, or has similar problems, please let me know.

Thanks, Oever1
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Is it a 3570K or 3570?

You might want to have a look in the BIOS settings and check the fan configuration. Also, open up the case and clean the fan/heat sink. They get clogged up with dust and that affects the cooling. You can do it with a hover attachment but make sure you are grounded when doing it.

You should also have a look at your case cooling and make sure there is good airflow. It might be worth considering changing the stock heatsink/fan with something better - i.e Hyper 212 or Artic Freezer. The stock ones are crap to be honest with you.

I happen to have a spare Artic Freezer, with thermal paste, I could sell you on the cheap if you wanted - its way better than the stock one. Let me know how you get on ;)
 
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Patrick_68000

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In what country you live ?

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Oever1

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Thanks for all your suggestions :)


Thermal paste is not the problem and all my fans are working.

I bought it prebuild but replaced the graphics card. Went from a GTX 650 to a GTX 770.

The case i have is a Furious Longhorn ca-0280 Pro-X. It has 2 120mm fans on the side and one on the front.

Dust is not the problem. I clean my case like once a month. Also the cables are imo not the issue because my cpu doesnt get that hot while playing other games. (Although i know 80 degrees isnt optimal either)

I live in the Netherlands. It doesnt get that hot over here :)


Maybe its time to buy a real cooling system. But first i will wait till this game releases. Maybe after theyve done all the optimization the problem will be gone.
 
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Vergoth

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Definitely running hot, there's a few things that can contribute to this.

1. The stock coolers are crap and not fit for purpose. I recommend one of these :

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00...200_QL40&qid=1406064476&sr=8-1#ref=mp_s_a_1_1

Check the dimensions and make sure it fits in your case. This keeps my i7 as cool as 25 degrees and is on par with a lot of water Cooling options. It's very quiet to.

2. Thermal compound as said before, it's not a major issue really, too thin is better than than too thick.

3. How many case fans do you have? Ideally as a minimum you want one front intake fan at the bottom and one rear exhaust fan at the top. Good air circulation is important so that cool air is cooling your components rather than recycled hot air.

4. The position of your PC is also important, stuffed under a desk or in an enclosed space will lead to heat build up, on top of the desk is better.

5. Give it a good clean out! Dust is a good insulator. Use compressed air and not the hoover in case you suck up something important.

6. Bios settings (press delete on start up). Make sure your cpu is at its default clock and voltage and that all fans are running.

At least one if not all of the above should bring your temps tumbling.

EDIT: ah you replied as I replied :) which way do the fans blow air? Are the side fans intake or exhaust?
 
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Vergoth

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Sounds to me like you need an exhaust fan. I would move one of the side fans to the back of the case towards the top and make sure it blows air out the back and see if that helps (it definitely should). As at the moment there isn't anything to get rid of the hot air.

If it does and your happy, keep it at that or alternatively buy another fan to replace the side fan.

I would still recommend buying a decent cpu cooler (noctua gets my vote)
 
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Aleksej

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What about ambient temperature? What temperatures do you get at idle?

Too thin layer of thermal compound is not good at all. It means that the cooler and the CPU might not have a really good contact and hence high temperatures. And these high temperatures under some load might easily be caused by a too thin layer of a thermal compound. Observed numerous times.

I am usually applying thermal compound by spreading a thin layer using a plastic card.
 

Vergoth

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jabokai said:
If you want a much cheaper one than the excellent Noctua (I love Noctua, all my fans are Noctua) recommended above then the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro v2 is really good for £15 and way better than the stock cooler.
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Oh yeah, for £15 you can't go wrong. It's not got the retro chic' of the noctua but still loads better than the stock cooler.

Aleksej said:
What about ambient temperature? What temperatures do you get at idle?

Too thin layer of thermal compound is not good at all. It means that the cooler and the CPU might not have a really good contact and hence high temperatures. And these high temperatures under some load might easily be caused by a too thin layer of a thermal compound. Observed numerous times.

I am usually applying thermal compound by spreading a thin layer using a plastic card.
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I should have clarified when I said too thin is better than too thick :) generally speaking a small pea sized blob in the middle of the CPU is about right and the natural action of screwing down the cooler distributes the compound relatively evenly. The compound is only there to fill the scratches and gaps and imperfections between the CPU and the heatsink.

A lot of people swear by the credit card method however this creates air bubbles. While the credit card method does give more even coverage of compound, you receive slightly higher temperatures than the pea sized blob method due to the air bubbles.

We are only talking 2 or 3 degrees and I'm speaking purely from my own experience, just a personal preference :)

In any case I don't think this will help the OP, I think the main issue is he doesn't have any exhaust fans! :s
 
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Aleksej

Aleksej
Vergoth said:
Oh yeah, for £15 you can't go wrong. It's not got the retro chic' of the noctua but still loads better than the stock cooler.



I should have clarified when I said too thin is better than too thick :) generally speaking a small pea sized blob in the middle of the CPU is about right and the natural action of screwing down the cooler distributes the compound relatively evenly.

A lot of people swear by the credit card method however this creates air bubbles. While the credit card method does give more even coverage of compound, you receive slightly higher temperatures than the pea sized blob method due to the air bubbles.

We are only talking 2 or 3 degrees and I'm speaking purely from my own experience, just a personal preference :)

In any case I don't think this will help the OP, I think the main issue is he doesn't have any exhaust fans! :s
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I knew that someone will mention this. But have you personally performed the tests? Because some time ago I have performed a search over the Internet on this matter. And most of the posts against the credit card method were purely theoretical without any evidences and tests.

However, when I have found the actual test it was stated there that the results are absolutely the same.

Nevertheless I still had doubts so I have performed about 10 tests on my CPU and two tests on my GPU. To test CPU temperatures Intel Burn Test was used and Unigine Heaven was used to stress test the GPU. And the results showed does not matter if you use dot (bubble) or credit card method. Tested this on both GPU and CPU the results were absolutely the same. The temperatures under load were absolutely the same. In this case credit card method is preferable to me as it is much easier to evenly distribute the thermal compound.

And if air bobbles exist they are too tiny as you fix the cooler really hard to the CPU.

But the situation is completely different if too thin layer is applied. If you use heavy stress test the temperature might immediately jump to 90 degrees under full load.
 

Vergoth

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Just my own experience like I said, alternating between the two if u do a cooler change or upgrade my mobo/cpu.

I haven't done extensive testing like yourself but my own personal finding of a couple of degrees difference would fall in line with your own (not a lot of difference like I said originally).

There's loads of articles like this about:

http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Thermal-Paste-Application-Techniques-170/

An x shape? Madness! And most show different results, like I said it's my own personal preference from my own experience that is all.
 

Aleksej

Aleksej
Vergoth said:
Just my own experience like I said, alternating between the two if u do a cooler change or upgrade my mobo/cpu.

I haven't done extensive testing like yourself but my own personal finding of a couple of degrees difference would fall in line with your own (not a lot of difference like I said originally).

There's loads of articles like this about:

http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Thermal-Paste-Application-Techniques-170/

An x shape? Madness! And most show different results, like I said it's my own personal preference from my own experience that is all.
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And as you can see from the link provided in your post smooth spread (e.g. by credit card) gave one of the best results just as a rice sized dot. Which is exactly what I have said. Also the picture might have been different when the real cooler was fixed for testing in the case of rice sized dot (e.g. the thermal compound might have actually been spread better but without pictures after testing it is impossible to tell).

Anyway the simplest way to check whether there are problems with thermal compound or not is to run some CPU stress tests or load CPU with some applications that load CPU and to perform temperature monitoring. Idle CPU temperature should be noted before this test and if it suddenly jumps towards the 80+ degrees this might actually be the problem with thermal compound. If thermal compound is applied the right way temperature increase should be gradual.
 

ASFx

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Interesting discussion. My CPU jumps right up to about 85c at its peak when something intensive happens, but then usually goes right back down to 55 or so under load. Maybe I need to check my thermal paste.
 
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