Crime and Punishment not fit for purpose - needs overhauling
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Robert Maynard
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Or.....use what FD provided (ship choice, pilot skills, location, timing, wings)- that, and have a more harmonious C+P leveraging the BGS properly so that gov type, sec level, wealth status, power status, s.power status, mean something. Imagine attacking a pledge as an unpledged player, and getting a death mark from the power in that territory for a set time, or being refused point blank across a superpower. This then makes indy systems and anarchies then important and enriches the game.
Having an escalating, persistent ATR would make attacks much harder. Having the 'top end' ATR response is as good a defence as FD could go but even then you still need to evade / defend long enough to wake out.
You can't get hostility for BGS in the game, as there is no such game.
In the case of a PP, you do not get hostility for destroying an enemy.
? My post was talking about what could be done.
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You actually do, currently (to an extent)- but only pledges as NPCs use the bounty held to either get hostile or leave you alone. It would not take much more to extend that as a more serious bounty to unpledged.
I don't understand what you mean.
I was just wondering what would happen if the persistent ATR follow the player back to their (say) Archon controlled home system, where the ATR get intercepted by Archon’s crack pirate squad: sit back watch the carnage!
It certainly would be interesting. In my FC tests long ago in beta I had my carrier firing death beams at ATR and ATR firing back while I'm trying to land.I was just wondering what would happen if the persistent ATR follow the player back to their (say) Archon controlled home system, where the ATR get intercepted by Archon’s crack pirate squad: sit back watch the carnage!
How it would work would be a nightmare for Dav though! R5 negates all criminal bounties gained in Delaine space, Delaine space halves sec forces, ATR (in this idea) would be local to the player so it would get crazy
Fun as it could be for higher level players, it could get frontier on the receiving end of some very salty posts on the part of cmdrs who get cajoled into firing the first shot, unless of course it is correctly scaled with notoriety and there was an interesting suggestion further up for a kind of ‘agression score’It certainly would be interesting. In my FC tests long ago in beta I had my carrier firing death beams at ATR and ATR firing back while I'm trying to land.
How it would work would be a nightmare for Dav though! R5 negates all criminal bounties gained in Delaine space, Delaine space halves sec forces, ATR (in this idea) would be local to the player so it would get crazy
Of course- at no point am I suggesting making ATR ride round, Judge Dredd like, in the new player sector, or sentencing players to death for minor transgressions (we have that now
). Having ATR after you would be reserved for the baddest of the bad and you'd have plenty of scope beforehand to mend your ways or simply be able to trust the cops.There's no such thing as a fair shot at notoriety in the game.
You can't get notoriety without deserving it.
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By having fun.
Each stage in the combat rankings takes as many points as all the previous stages so when you reach Deadly you are halfway to Elite, so it’s not a big step just the same again.
Note as I am not a fan of missions it took me around two years to reach Elite in combat, my first Elite ranking.
One thing worth noting for PvE Crime and Punishment is that fines are literally worse than bounties lol.
When you are wanted by a faction and have notoriety, you can still dock at their stations, provided you don't get scanned, you'll just dock with anonymous access and have restricted station services (Use silent running to dock y'all).
It's there where you can 'hand yourself in' since you still have access to the contacts! You only can't dock at a station if you are hostile with the minor faction that owns it. You will NOT pay rebuy if you turn yourself in, but you will pay the bounty ammount.
When you have a fine, however, you can't 'turn yourself in' since it's not a bounty. But you can't pay it off either since your 'notoriety is too high'. Not at the station, nor at interstellar factors. The only way to get rid of a fine while you have notoriety in order to continue to use that particular station is to have them kill you lol. So it's a PITA to have notoriety and no bounties, but you scratch a fat Type 9 on the way out of the mailslot and suddenly you have to die in order to use that station again.
Or wait 20 hours online for notoriety...
When you are wanted by a faction and have notoriety, you can still dock at their stations, provided you don't get scanned, you'll just dock with anonymous access and have restricted station services (Use silent running to dock y'all).
It's there where you can 'hand yourself in' since you still have access to the contacts! You only can't dock at a station if you are hostile with the minor faction that owns it. You will NOT pay rebuy if you turn yourself in, but you will pay the bounty ammount.
When you have a fine, however, you can't 'turn yourself in' since it's not a bounty. But you can't pay it off either since your 'notoriety is too high'. Not at the station, nor at interstellar factors. The only way to get rid of a fine while you have notoriety in order to continue to use that particular station is to have them kill you lol. So it's a PITA to have notoriety and no bounties, but you scratch a fat Type 9 on the way out of the mailslot and suddenly you have to die in order to use that station again.
Or wait 20 hours online for notoriety...
No!!!
I'm glad the bounty exploit is finally decimated, and you wanna happily bring it back, lol.
Its not that much work to gather a 20 mil bounty. Now get in a wing of 4, all take a shot at the guy, until he explodes. 5 minutes of work, 80 mil bounties to hand in as a result.
Never again.
Oh dear, I am not sure I have earned 20 hours of notoriety in total since it was introduced years ago,
I wonder if it is a stat stored somewhere in our logs?
rootsrat
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While you can make about 1 billion per hour for more than 1 activity... in a world where economy is royally screwed and Credits have literally no value.
That exploit mattered 8 years ago, but in todays reality? It's 100% meaningless.
Also, what do you care if some stupid ganker and his 3 mates will abuse this (still pointless) system? It means they won't be at Deciat clubbing seals.
I'm not talking about money... You don't play BGS do you?
Besides, if credits have no value, 2 mil is as good as any number no?
rootsrat
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I'm a leader of a faction that controls the 3rd biggest territory in the game. There are much better ways to tank the INF.
Yeah, the issue is using bountyhunting in system A to get a massive inf boost in system B.
Bounties (and murders) are one of the many things that would be on my "how to fix a whole ton of problems with the BGS" list but that's out of scope for a C&P thread. Suffice to say at minimum I'd change their effect to take place as and when the vouchers are awarded instead of when they're cashed in, and probably move back to being transaction-based rather than value-based.
Bounties (and murders) are one of the many things that would be on my "how to fix a whole ton of problems with the BGS" list but that's out of scope for a C&P thread. Suffice to say at minimum I'd change their effect to take place as and when the vouchers are awarded instead of when they're cashed in, and probably move back to being transaction-based rather than value-based.
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