Powerplay Cycle 97 Charts 'n' Stuff

fergal

fergal
Arkadi has his excellent PP report here, and the unbiased Imperial PP report is here, but they both seem to be suffering from a lack of PP charts.

All the numbers are from the weekly PP stats that FDev releases (sticklied in this very sub forum) and they are around 2 hours out of date, so all end sniping merits are not included in these charts.

Known Merits

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Aisling clearly has the most active players, followed by ALD, then Hudson, Winters and Sirius.
The other 6 powers aren't doing that much.

Unknown Merits

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All the undermining was on Winters, with Delaine, Mahon and Grom with the next most.
ALD and Delaine were the only powers with an expansion, so were the only ones opposed (but they both get another shot at the exact same systems again, because PP needs expansions and the other 9 powers can't be bothered trying)

Antal, Torval and Aisling were not attacked at all.

Popular Activities

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A total of 3773039 merits (before snipes) were earnt by all PP players last week.
Thats enough for 750 rating 5 players to maintain their rating, or 5000 rating 4 players to maintain their rating.
 

fergal

fergal
Misaniovent said:
Do you mean "most productive" players, or do you mean "largest playerbase?"
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I mean they did the most merits.
Maybe Aisling just has 2 players doing 340000 merits each per week, nobody outside of FDev knows.

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If you assume all the players in PP are just getting 5000 merits to maintain rank 5 (which is far from true) above are the number of known players, even removing all the preps from Aisling still gives her the most players.

You could also lump all the players into 3 groups, Imperial, Federation and Other.
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Or you could group them by your weekly stories, ZYADA, Kumo Fed and Neutral
 

Misaniovent

Misaniovent
fergal said:
I mean they did the most merits.
Maybe Aisling just has 2 players doing 340000 merits each per week, nobody outside of FDev knows.

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If you assume all the players in PP are just getting 5000 merits to maintain rank 5 (which is far from true) above are the number of known players, even removing all the preps from Aisling still gives her the most players.

You could also lump all the players into 3 groups, Imperial, Federation and Other.
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Or you could group them by your weekly stories, ZYADA, Kumo Fed and Neutral
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Mmm data. We could do some really detailed analysis of why some of these numbers are what they are, but I'll simplify my views by commenting that the amount of work Aisling does weekly is insane, and they've managed to be consistent for almost all of powerplay. They are able to consolidate, but have chosen to work to outprep Yaque every cycle for insurance. I don't believe any other power has the ability to do that. They also fortify significantly beyond 500 CC every week.

Winters was, of course, in turmoil last week.
 

fergal

fergal
Misaniovent said:
Mmm data. We could do some really detailed analysis of why some of these numbers are what they are, but I'll simplify my views by commenting that the amount of work Aisling does weekly is insane, and they've managed to be consistent for almost all of powerplay. They are able to consolidate, but have chosen to work to outprep Yaque every cycle for insurance. I don't believe any other power has the ability to do that. They also fortify significantly beyond 500 CC every week.

Winters was, of course, in turmoil last week.
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And those number just use the "known merits" from preps, forts and expansions.

You can speculate on the undermining and expansion opposition merits and probably be fairly accurate.

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Although players from Torval, Mahon, Sirius and Antal will contribute to undermining and opposition (yeah I'm looking at you Sirus guy that died yesterday) they probably don't contribute that much, and it makes the speculation easier to remove them.

We also know that its virtually impossible for the Feds to undermine each other, and the Imperials to undermine each other.
A rough estimate would be:
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withnail

withnail
No wonder they don't spend any time on powerplay if that is the player numbers.

Say 300 playing regularly all told with the other two included.
 
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fergal

fergal
withnail said:
No wonder they don't spend any time on powerplay if that is the player numbers.

Say 300 playing regularly all told with the other two included.
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If you assume 10% of players are rank 5, 20% are rank 4 and 70% are rank 3 or less, there would be around 4100 players last week.

Last weeks community goal had 8243 contributors
 
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A Sleeping Bear

A Sleeping Bear
fergal said:
(... PP needs expansions and the other 9 powers can't be bothered trying)
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I'd have to disgree, it's not a matter of not being bothered, it's a matter of doing what makes sense. All the powers have expanded outwards to the point where continuing out is either impossible or it costs too much for too little reward, often no reward at all. Why expand when the best systems available end up costing CC every week? Looking at the galaxy it's rare to see a feesable system that brings in CC rather than being an expense

The only time expanding has a benefit is when expanding into the area of another power, thus cutting off their income to the region being expanded into. The issues there are, again, it is costly so you need a surplus amount of CC and an income that can take the hit, not to mention expanding into someone is going to be far more likely to be opposed than taking neutral space.

This tactic can be used to great strategic effect, as shown when the Alliance expanded downwards into Hudson, cutting off income and eventually forcing him down as with reduced income he couldn't hold the systems.

Otherwise, the BGS needs to be worked to make systems profitable to expand into but this takes time. Until suitable areas are forged and humanity spreads further, expansion is a costly action with little incentive to carry it out.
 

fergal

fergal
A Sleeping Bear said:
I'd have to disgree, it's not a matter of not being bothered, it's a matter of doing what makes sense. All the powers have expanded outwards to the point where continuing out is either impossible or it costs too much for too little reward, often no reward at all. Why expand when the best systems available end up costing CC every week? Looking at the galaxy it's rare to see a feesable system that brings in CC rather than being an expense
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We can agree to disagree then :)
I'll say "everyone else" except Mahon can't be bothered, because Mahon has such a commanding lead there is no reason for him to expand to another system at the moment, its not like Torval is a few systems behind him and putting the pressure on.

ALD, Sirius and Aisling are on basically the same number of systems, ALD is trying to expand, the other 2 just can't be bothered competing.
Same goes for Antal and Patreus

A Sleeping Bear said:
Until suitable areas are forged and humanity spreads further, expansion is a costly action with little incentive to carry it out.
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I've said this in another thread, this is how PP has been for Delaine (and Antal) for over 1 1/2 years, no systems with a profit within 90LY, every expansion makes things worse.

Lots of players are saying there is nowhere profitable to expand to, well there are quite a few powers who have profitable systems that would be lost, if they faced any undermining. Torval, Antal and Aisling had 0 systems undermined last week.
Maybe a year ago you could decide to not attack certain hostile powers because of "reasons", now its attack or do nothing, and I see do nothing is winning the argument.
Torvals systems are fairly central, and would be good for many powers to try to take, I've got nothing against the Torval guys, but they are 2nd and getting a free ride.
Shaking one or two of their systems loose would bring back some epic prep wars between the feds and empire, and some large expansion battles.

I've only been back for 4 weeks and this is whats changed on the weekly galnet standings:
1) ALD overtook Sirius, when the Kumo Crew turmoiled Sirius
2) Kumo Crew over took Grom
3) Grom overtook Kumo Crew
 
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A Sleeping Bear

A Sleeping Bear
I see what you're saying, my disagreement was mostly with the phrasing but I ended going on a big tangent about the state of PowerPlay. To put it much more concisely, what I'm trying to say is I think PP could do with a little reworking. The system was created a while ago and has seen little attention since, it's not implausible that Fdev didn't think ahead to this kind of situation. Things have slowed down and stagnated and people lost interest for a variety of reasons.

In the meantime, I like the sound of what you're saying (probably because I'm mainly an Alliance guy). Some good strategic undermines could bring some spice, excitement and interest, though looking at the numbers you've so marvellously presented here, not many factions have enough active players to make it happen, at least on a large, sustained level.

Thanks, by the way. The charts and graphs are genuinely useful!
 

fergal

fergal
A Sleeping Bear said:
I see what you're saying, my disagreement was mostly with the phrasing but I ended going on a big tangent about the state of PowerPlay.
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My phrasing was a tongue in cheek explanation for the current bug that has the ALD and Delaine expansions from the previous week still going on this week.
We will see if our snipe is better than Groms this time, prepare for a river of salt :)
 

Misaniovent

Misaniovent
fergal said:
My phrasing was a tongue in cheek explanation for the current bug that has the ALD and Delaine expansions from the previous week still going on this week.
We will see if our snipe is better than Groms this time, prepare for a river of salt :)
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So you're saying that you are pushing an expansion that is currently active due to a bug?
 

Misaniovent

Misaniovent
withnail said:
You best bring that to Frontier's attention.
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You already did. I will raise it again.

Edit: Just so my view on this is clear: Grom should not have to put a single merit into opposition of Ngarra this week, and the Federation should not have to put a single merit into opposition of Gitse. Neither Kumo nor ALD should be directing any pilots to these systems, and both should be making an effort to keep pilots out.

Frontier should manually fail both expansions.
 
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fergal

fergal
Misaniovent said:
Did you know that there was a several-month period where R5 Patreus pledges could not restock in our space?
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nope, but if that happened its more and more unlikely these expansions will not be patched and we will see if they are still going next week too.
 
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