Dangerous Games: Wildcard Goals

ErichZann

ErichZann
Ashnak said:
Yeah, right.

Tell me again around christmas 2017. That's about ten times the price of my current ship...

Insted, I set up a FDS for mining. 80 tons of cargo, fuel scoop, fully turreted and abysmal jump range: possibly mining FDS.

caveat:
a) this is my first mining expedition - no idea if/how this will work
b) don't ask me where to get the 5C bi-weave, I took it over from my previous ship
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Hm some things I would change:

- Take a smaller fuel scoop. Bit annoying but you need the space
- You need more collectors. So put a 5A collector controller in that slot instead.
- You need a 1A prospector controller, put that in the small slot and drop the discovery scanner. You can scan the nav beacon to get system information.
 

Kietrax

Volunteer Moderator
Kietrax
Ian Doncaster said:
It very closely resembles a real-world voting mechanism called "Approval Voting" (it's not used for governments anywhere I know of, but various non-governmental bodies use it for internal elections)

Every voter votes "Yes" to every candidate they would be happy to see elected (they can even vote for all of them, though that's equivalent to voting for none). The candidate with the most votes wins. It's a voting system with a lot of nice features.

In this case there's a bit of a corporate twist on it in that it's "one gold one vote" rather than "one person one vote", but the principle is the same.

If it is a bug that you can sign up for multiple, I hope Frontier leave it in - and advertise it properly for the remaining CGs - since it's more interesting than a basic "first past the post" vote.

(You can presumably even cast a fractional vote for a group by signing up to their CG only half way through the week, which would make this closer to the slightly more complex "Range Voting" system)
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OK - that makes sense - hadn't thought of it like that, thanks.
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And, according to what I have been told (usual caveats but good sources @ FDEV) being able to sign up for multiple groups is not a bug, it's a feature - same as you can sign up to both sides of competing CGs. It's just how it is today, but does have this interesting side effect.
 

danubezoe

danubezoe
Ashnak said:
Yeah, right.

Tell me again around christmas 2017. That's about ten times the price of my current ship...

Insted, I set up a FDS for mining. 80 tons of cargo, fuel scoop, fully turreted and abysmal jump range: possibly mining FDS.

caveat:
a) this is my first mining expedition - no idea if/how this will work
b) don't ask me where to get the 5C bi-weave, I took it over from my previous ship
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FDS is good for mining. The lesser NPC's (at least before 2.1) show some respect. I often got apologies and they left me alone. I tried the same in my Anaconda and most NPC's moved to attack and pirate me for my limpets (lawless system).

Cheers
DZ
 

Maxmilian Czhilli

Maxmilian Czhilli
Ian Doncaster said:
It very closely resembles a real-world voting mechanism called "Approval Voting" (it's not used for governments anywhere I know of, but various non-governmental bodies use it for internal elections)

Every voter votes "Yes" to every candidate they would be happy to see elected (they can even vote for all of them, though that's equivalent to voting for none). The candidate with the most votes wins. It's a voting system with a lot of nice features.

In this case there's a bit of a corporate twist on it in that it's "one gold one vote" rather than "one person one vote", but the principle is the same.

If it is a bug that you can sign up for multiple, I hope Frontier leave it in - and advertise it properly for the remaining CGs - since it's more interesting than a basic "first past the post" vote.

(You can presumably even cast a fractional vote for a group by signing up to their CG only half way through the week, which would make this closer to the slightly more complex "Range Voting" system)
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Wow. Thanks Ian, that's a great explanation. I wasn't keen on the current system to begin with but you have changed my mind.


danubezoe said:
FDS is good for mining. The lesser NPC's (at least before 2.1) show some respect. I often got apologies and they left me alone. I tried the same in my Anaconda and most NPC's moved to attack and pirate me for my limpets (lawless system).

Cheers
DZ
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I also found the FDS to be a great mining ship. Unfortunately I can no longer afford one as I reset my save for 2.1. Any tips for good miner for 1.5m cr?
 

_ZT_

_ZT_
Limoncello Lizard said:
Some help for players who haven't mined in 2.1:
2.0 Mining Anaconda
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2.1 Mining Anaconda
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BuildARMOURSHIELDSSPEED
THRUSTERS		SPEED
BOOST		JUMP RANGE
MAX		JUMP RANGE
FULL TANK		JUMP RANGE
LADEN		CARGOCOSTMASS
UNLADEN		MASS
LADEN		POWER
RETRACTED		POWER
DEPLOYED		POWER
AVAILABLE		TOTAL RANGE
UNLADEN		DPS
Limoncello Lizard3,3381,190 [SIZE=-2]MJ[/SIZE]202 [SIZE=-2]m/s[/SIZE]270 [SIZE=-2]m/s[/SIZE]17.72 [SIZE=-2]LY[/SIZE]17.39 [SIZE=-2]LY[/SIZE]16.55 [SIZE=-2]LY[/SIZE]64 [SIZE=-2]T[/SIZE]782,632,060 [SIZE=-2]CR[/SIZE]1,230.3 [SIZE=-2]T[/SIZE]1,326.3 [SIZE=-2]T[/SIZE]30.69 [SIZE=-2]MW[/SIZE]34.20 [SIZE=-2]MW[/SIZE]36.00 [SIZE=-2]MW[/SIZE]70.22 [SIZE=-2]LY[/SIZE]4
ZT miner945952 [SIZE=-2]MJ[/SIZE]205 [SIZE=-2]m/s[/SIZE]274 [SIZE=-2]m/s[/SIZE]18.97 [SIZE=-2]LY[/SIZE]18.58 [SIZE=-2]LY[/SIZE]16.36 [SIZE=-2]LY[/SIZE]160 [SIZE=-2]T[/SIZE]390,393,820 [SIZE=-2]CR[/SIZE]1,149.2 [SIZE=-2]T[/SIZE]1,341.2 [SIZE=-2]T[/SIZE]24.85 [SIZE=-2]MW[/SIZE]33.33 [SIZE=-2]MW[/SIZE]33.00 [SIZE=-2]MW[/SIZE]75.09 [SIZE=-2]LY[/SIZE]25
Cannon =4A+2x3A multiCannon​
[SIZE=-3]Interactive Comparison at Coriolis.io[/SIZE]
64t. of cargo for the miner - a waste of time !!!
 

Maxmilian Czhilli

Maxmilian Czhilli
Thanks for the suggestions. I've been trying to mock up ideas in coriolis. A Cobra IV is not really an option question unless I fit a 2E FSD and mine the common reserve rings in system. I think that's what the Wolves of Jonai are doing but I'm not sure it's the best bang for buck and time.

Popped in game quickly to check the current scores:

GroupContributorsTonnes
BBS5524,660
EG4898,469
AA57912,743
WoJ5898,994
UGC4214,115

It will be interesting to see how things hot up over the weekend.
 

Goose4291

Banned
Goose4291
Apos said:
You won't even be able to outfit it with a proper FSD. 1.5M is extremely limiting.

Something like this might work: http://coriolis.io/outfit/adder/02A3A3A1D2A3D3C2m----020201P11h.Iw1+kA==.Aw1+kA==

And that would require manual scooping and testing the asteroids, scooping only gold and dumping everything else.
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I was going on the idea of bare minimum outfitting, you'd probably need to change one of the cargo racks for a fuel scoop though, if you were going off the beaten path as it were, and 9.6ly laden jump range isn't nothing to be sniffed at:

http://coriolis.io/outfit/cobra_mk_iv/04E4E4D3E3E3E4C2m------230303030243C5P4.Iw18SQ==.Aw18SQ==

I agree though, the Adder is a probably a tad more capable for this kind of thing. I managed a couple of nights with mine last week, using a similar build
 
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_trent_

Volunteer Moderator
_trent_
Maxmilian Czhilli said:
I also found the FDS to be a great mining ship. Unfortunately I can no longer afford one as I reset my save for 2.1. Any tips for good miner for 1.5m cr?
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Not much you can do for that. A T6 build is probably the best you could get. Running from anything that might show up is essential and the T6's 364m/s boost might be enough to get you out of a tight spot.
http://coriolis.io/outfit/type_6_tr...349C71nP4.Iw1-kA==.Aw1-kA==?bn=T6 Basic Miner

EDIT: I'd also hang onto the 3Ps in addition to gold in your position.
 
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VampyreGTX

Volunteer Moderator
VampyreGTX
If being interdicted and you know you'll be pulled, submit by throttling down as the FSD cool-down is a fraction of what it would be if you lose the interdiction.. Then remember, when running, High-Wake out, not back up to SC. You can't be mass-locked by a ship if high-waking out.
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
Kietrax said:
And, according to what I have been told (usual caveats but good sources @ FDEV) being able to sign up for multiple groups is not a bug, it's a feature - same as you can sign up to both sides of competing CGs. It's just how it is today, but does have this interesting side effect.
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I'll be interested to see what, if anything, the various factions make of it - either at this stage or at the "win to get a power" one.

Approval (and indeed most single-winner voting systems which aren't "first past the post") bias quite strongly towards a "compromise" candidate broadly acceptable to a wide spread of the population, whereas FPTP can strongly benefit a widely neutral or even disliked group with a strong core vote. For a group which will need to translate Dangerous Games support into an active player base for Powerplay, wide acceptability is a major advantage ... though of course it may over time tend to mean the winners of the games are fairly bland "safe" powers, and perhaps some future opportunities might need to be run on different terms.

The interesting thing here is that the voting may well be treated as if it were FPTP by the majority of voters to whom it hasn't occurred to sign up to multiple CGs, or who aren't certain why they should even if they know it can be done. Will the factions start explicitly acknowledging it as an option, and if they do, will they discourage it or encourage it? Obviously the best vote for a faction is "yes to them, no to everyone else", but when talking to a potential voter, they don't know if they're choosing between that and "yes to some including them, no to others" or between "yes to someone else, no to you" and "yes to some including them, no to others".

(As someone with very little interest in PP, but quite a bit of interest in election systems, I'm going to start watching this a lot more closely now...)
 

Neclony

Neclony
I would like to support one of these groups but they all want only mined gold....how stupid!

Whats the reason behind this?
Why don't they want traded gold?
How they even know if it's traded or mined?
 
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ErichZann

ErichZann
Neclony said:
I would like to support one of these groups but they all want only mined gold....how stupid!

Whats the reason behind this?
Why don't they want traded gold?
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Because this is supposed to be a trading CG? ;) But I agree, to make things easier, they could just have taken a material that you can only obtain through mining, like Platinum or Painite.
 

Neclony

Neclony
ErichZann said:
Because this is supposed to be a trading CG? ;) But I agree, to make things easier, they could just have taken a material that you can only obtain through mining, like Platinum or Painite.
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They need gold to be a power and I got it legally!
It's so pointless...
 
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sndle9

S
Here are the standings as of 08:05 Game time this morning...


Group__Cont__Tonnes
BBS_____739__10,431
EG______698__24,128
AA______786__27,017
WoJ_____768__19,795
UGC_____550__11,318


Personal Adle's Armada contribution is 130 Tonnes (Go AA). No idea if this is any good, but looks low to me :(
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On the other hand, all that useless Platinum etc has got me to L3 with both Lei Cheung and The Dweller :)
 
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Apos

Apos
Neclony said:
They need gold to be a power and I got it legally!
It's so pointless...
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Because getting the gold through trade means they get tied to other systems and their interests?

Like in US politics, you can fund raise from the people or you can accept sponsorships from big corporations. But the latter will ask for their share of "gratitude" later when you get elected.
 
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