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Yeah, that's true. These days really should be over.
Detailed Surface Scanner - What colour an I looking for for the signal sources?
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Yeah, that's true. These days really should be over.
A real heat map with colors and a legend would be great. I thought that was what we were getting. It probably was the original intention.
But apparently they decided to remove it for being "confusing." I think it's more confusing now.
Maybe they'll revisit it at some point. One can hope.
Except it isn't from the underlying terrain. I've seen craters on the surface that don't show in the bio map shading at all.
You're on the spot. It's not the height but the type of terrain. If you look at the occasions when the blue doesn't cover all the terrain and you change from combat to analysis back and forth you can see that sometimes the limits match the color of the underlying terrain. Sometimes the terrain is as flat, but there's a color change. The mountainous terrain tends to change color in respect to the flat terrain around so that's why we also see different shades of blue over those areas.
It is ridiculous on its own that we here in the forum have to think about it and guess what might mean what -.-
This is ridiculous. I cant see ANY biological result in the Scanner. I only see Geological stuff, even if the Scanner says Biological results are found. I always check the left panel then, but signal sources there dont match the number of findings.
When flying over the surface, Its also not really working, cause for some reason the terrain does not load that fast, so I am flying faster than the terrain is streamed, which is odd, hardware should be fast enough for this.
I once quitted Elite Dangerous because of eye problems (sorry, but the orange kills my eyes). And for people with eye-problems (I thought its better, but playing Elite seem to ear up the progess I made) a Heatmap would be step back already, but the way it is implemented now is silly. It would be really great to just be able to get back the findings in the list of signal sources, even if it takes more scanning-effort or whatever. This way, its a time-sink, and we dont need more timesinks, and its a pain for people with eye-problems, like me, on top of the orange-eye-cancer-thing.
Edit: And yes, people like me logging back to Horizons to find their mats is a clear sign of a failed design. I like many of the changes to the GUI, but not of those.
When flying over the surface, Its also not really working, cause for some reason the terrain does not load that fast, so I am flying faster than the terrain is streamed, which is odd, hardware should be fast enough for this.
I once quitted Elite Dangerous because of eye problems (sorry, but the orange kills my eyes). And for people with eye-problems (I thought its better, but playing Elite seem to ear up the progess I made) a Heatmap would be step back already, but the way it is implemented now is silly. It would be really great to just be able to get back the findings in the list of signal sources, even if it takes more scanning-effort or whatever. This way, its a time-sink, and we dont need more timesinks, and its a pain for people with eye-problems, like me, on top of the orange-eye-cancer-thing.
Edit: And yes, people like me logging back to Horizons to find their mats is a clear sign of a failed design. I like many of the changes to the GUI, but not of those.
The biological signals do not appear on the "Contacts" or "Navigation" panel. From my experience, you do a surface scan. Then toggle through the sources in the DSS to filter the Detailed Surface Scanner. This will identify the types of biological items found. Pick one. The blue area can be considered as "Could contain these biologicals", not "Definitely in this area". The shades of blue appear to be created by what is under the blue fog. Hills make it darker, flat areas turn it a bluey green. It is definitely not a heat map and sods law says that the whole planet turns blue, indicating "Its down there somewhere.". Consult the Codex and various internet articles to find the habitat that they like. Do they like rocks, mountainous areas, volanism etc? Fly down to one of the blue areas. Then locate the right habitat. When you drop out of supercruise and start gliding, the blue indicator will disappear. Fly down to about 200m and scout about for the biological. Any higher and the level of detail will remove detail like plants. It helps if you know what it looks like!! Don't fly over the surface at mach 2. You won't spot them. Instead fly to a likely area, hover, take a look around and then move to the next. When you spot something, land and get out SRV and take a closer look. Some of the larger species are easier to find. Bacteria is near on impossible.
With bacteria, the best thing I have found is to use the free view camera to get a bird's eye view. Be careful of camera blackouts.
Other than that, it is a case of learning what plant A likes and what it does not like. Also if the DSS says that it can see a type of plant, this can mean that there is more than one variety (Read that as slightly different colour).
It is not a case of fly down and see a big red arrow pointing to what you want. It is exploring after all. You would think that the tech in the third millennium was a bit more advanced. Some of the rarer varieties are extremely rare. I had one planet where I found 2 gene species, but never found the third (And could not find my way back to the original find). Some of the plants are very 2D. Perhaps the new upgraded DSS that I've read about on Galnet will do a better job. It might even come with some documentation on how to use it.
I started off finding diddy squat, but now I can find 60%-70% of what is suppose to be there and getting better all the time.
With bacteria, the best thing I have found is to use the free view camera to get a bird's eye view. Be careful of camera blackouts.
Other than that, it is a case of learning what plant A likes and what it does not like. Also if the DSS says that it can see a type of plant, this can mean that there is more than one variety (Read that as slightly different colour).
It is not a case of fly down and see a big red arrow pointing to what you want. It is exploring after all. You would think that the tech in the third millennium was a bit more advanced. Some of the rarer varieties are extremely rare. I had one planet where I found 2 gene species, but never found the third (And could not find my way back to the original find). Some of the plants are very 2D. Perhaps the new upgraded DSS that I've read about on Galnet will do a better job. It might even come with some documentation on how to use it.
I started off finding diddy squat, but now I can find 60%-70% of what is suppose to be there and getting better all the time.
Thats what I tried to make clear: I toggle through scans, and there is no Biological source, even if it says on the top right that 5 Biological Sources have been found. I cant "visualize" a single one of them in the Scanner.
When you cycle through the filters the name of the biological is displayed in the top centre of the screen. It only shows when the DSS is active. Look at your key bindings for the next filter and previous filter. They may need setting up. They have always shown up for me. Next time I spot one I'll add a screen shot here.
The biologicals do not appear on the central lower scanner. You have to visually look for them. Geologicals only appear because they have mats attached.
Yep, as said, biologicals I cant see, but I could see them in Horizons. It is a step back. I may not have had Bacteria so far, but as said, never saw anything except geological stuff so far, even if there are multiple biological sources in the list on the top right.
The bio covers the entire blue area to a greater or lesser degree, sure they could just put a single POI thing in the middle of the blue but what would be the point of that. If you want a POI that points at BIO it's either none, or millions per planet!
I haven't failed to find bio whenever I land, usually I land on top of it, stop looking for the yellow POI circles and look out the window and you will see it. Even bacteria can be quite easily spotted from a hundred meters up in 90% of cases.
I was not able to do so so far in Odyssey. What do you mean with "POI Circles"?
So far, I cant see anything on the ground if above a specific speed, cause the ground is not rendered then, even at 20 or 30m height. Its not loaded, and therefore I cant see anything before I passed. After some hours of sightseeing on some planets I gave up and switched to Horizons for that stuff.
Edit: ah, just saw I read it wrong. However, I havent found Bacteria so far, I think. Something else I found. I am still not happy with this change. For me and my eyes, its pure luck. There is almost no contrast (at least at those I found) and hard to see. Dont get me wrong here, the gameplay-change I understand, even if I dont agree to it because I see it as a step back, but for people with eye-problems, it was just fine the way it was. I would have preferred another method to display the results, or to scan with the ship at lower altitude etc. Everything would be fine, excep another timesink and the need to stress my eyes even more, orange is hard enough.
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Confusing for who? The devs they assigned to implement it?
Apparently, some time prior to the year 3303 it was decided that the internet provided way too much information, which wasn't good for anybody. Providing any form of documentation or instructions is anathema.
Also, having extra useless clicks in your UIs builds character.
At 100m high and 100mps I can spot bacteria,I don't know what settings you have but they must be much lower than mine for that to happen. Personal experience varies so I can only post about mine and what works for me.
The players who complained about it during the Alpha. It was fine and not confusing at all, they just didn't know how to use it and couldn't be bothered to learn, so complain the did, and this is what we have left!
Those yellow circles that used to mark bio and geo sites in Horizons, they don't appear for bio and geo in Odyssey because there are to many sites to mark.
I never have problems finding stuff, of course it does take a little bit of learning and understanding what sort of landscape the bio likes, it's not a gigantic arrow pointing at a plant and saying "here it is" so of course it won't suit all peoples playing style, but then some of us prefer not to have our hands held while exploring.
Sending discovery missiles to a planet then with 100 percent look on your left panel to see points of interest that you might want to check out. This is important when finding materials running around in an SRV to collect them in one place. The blue planet can be switched to normal view going from analyse mode to combat mode. But if it is an important planet that you will come back to often then analyse mode with the blue planet will help you land on the dark side where combat mode you are in the dark. Once a planet is scanned then in analyse mode it will always be blue. Use it to your advantage. Ir is a game thing.
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