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DLC18 discussion and predictions
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Replace the bear with mara. Then it is more near to perfect.
I mean agree the chicken, goat, sheep and alpaca look fantastic. But there are imo alot of small nit picks that really drag the pack down for me.
I definetly was one the people who really wanted a petting zoo pack, but due to alot a factors what could have been an amazing pack unfortuantely only turned out a middle of the road, kinda lackluster type pack.
-Firstly there is the thing where from the 4 main animals i wanted from such a theme, pygmy goat, rabbit, duck and chicken the pack only had 1 which was kind of a bummer.
-Ungulate fatique, i already left 2023 being kinda burned out and annoyed by the overly large focus on hoofed animals so starting off 2024 with another batch of 6 in the first pack kinda seemed like frontier deliberately trying to me off. Admittedly a pettingzoo/domestics theme was bound to be heavy on ungulates but frontier really overdid it here imo, especially when youre just coming off the heels of 2 animal pack already jampacked with them.
-Weird and honestly kinda boring breed choices. I feel they took the barnyard theme a little to far and went for a literal barnyard instead of a farm area in a zoo.
Which is great if you want to build a farm in PZ, but not so great if you want to build a petting zoo or domestic area in a zoo. The alpaca and chicken are perfectly fine imo, alpacas are some of the most common zoo animals ever and the chicken also works well in a zoo setting. The sheep and donkey im not really a fan of, i think these two are the least needed in a petting zoo theme and are both kinda lame and generic, they really should have been a duck and rabbit. The highland cattle is an okay pick but the choice of the mini variety is just really bizarre to me, it doesnt strike me as an animals you should get into the enclosure with and pet it in the first place, so why not go for the larger variety? The goat and pig are easily the worst offenders imo, the choice of going with a rare and big breed over the ubiquitous, tiny and super friendly pygmy goat is beyond me. The pig is just kinda painfully generic, and contrast to the sheep it had 2 very good alternatives, the potbelly and kune kune. Both of which are not only way more interesting looking but also more common, would have offered some more geographical variety and both have a big conservation story behind them.
All ofcourse just my opinion and point of view
Ungulate fatigue has been killing me as of late, even if it’s a pack like Eurasia and all the ungulates are unique from one another I still get tired.
Ungulates are common zoo animals and are super cool, but as I’ve said before them constantly getting the “golden child” syndrome is really killing my excitement for any new ones.
We got so many ungulates in the last year if the last pack doesn’t have a single one I wouldn’t be upset, even if there are ungulates I still really want
The ocelot for the mara is the only logical choice here
Also, regarding ungulates, there are still lots that I would welcome, the issue is that with African antelope we received multiple options that were very similar to each other (3 gazelles, 2 wildebeest). We could have got an Asian endemic deer, dik-dik, chevrotain, pudu, muskox, blackbuck, or anoa. I feel any of those would be extremely welcome and are common zoo animals (minus the muskox)
Yeah agree.Ungulate fatigue has been killing me as of late, even if it’s a pack like Eurasia and all the ungulates are unique from one another I still get tired.
Ungulates are common zoo animals and are super cool, but as I’ve said before them constantly getting the “golden child” syndrome is really killing my excitement for any new ones.
We got so many ungulates in the last year if the last pack doesn’t have a single one I wouldn’t be upset, even if there are ungulates I still really want
In a lot of ways ungulates are one of the foundations of zoo collections and it only makes sense to have a nice selection of them.
But you could say the same for monkeys and birds, one of which frontier apperently noticed the demand for and slowly adds more (although there still are so many missing basic ones), and the other one is completely ignored.
Its not at all that i dont like ungulates, i just hate the preferential treatment they get.
Is it weird to agree with all of these points but still enjoy the pack? Haha. I agree that it could have been better but I also appreciate it for what it is. I would feel differently if mods weren't a thing, though, I'm sure... Especially WRT the goat not being a pygmy goat. That's the most frustrating one for me. But the fact that they picked primarily "generic" species makes modding a bit easier as I understand it. (But I understand that doesn't help out a lot of people until after development ends.)
What I find most interesting about this is the packs that go over the best... Tend to be pretty light on the ungulates or have them as more of an "oddball" pick. I get that there's a need for them but they definitely overdo it at times.Ungulates are common zoo animals and are super cool, but as I’ve said before them constantly getting the “golden child” syndrome is really killing my excitement for any new ones.
We got so many ungulates in the last year if the last pack doesn’t have a single one I wouldn’t be upset, even if there are ungulates I still really want
Add back the barbary sheep instead of the ibex and I'd be over the moon... well, maybe add something else instead of the serval too, but they'd be pretty darn good packs.
I dont think that its the small amount of ungulates that make wetlands, grasslands and na so well received. Its rather that the small amount of ungulates allows for other groups to be represented aswell and get more variety in.
Like wetlands has 2 ungulates, a rodent, a reptile, a bird, a monotreme, a carnivoran and even an amphibia. Its peak diversity and i really wish frontier would go back to make animal packs more similar to this againt.
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The biggest offense the barnyard pack did was that im happy instead of offended that the "alpine goat" got changed to a generic "domestic goat" in the german translation, with the text and funfacts also being very general with only some nods to the fact that the keeping of goats is most common in europe in the alps.
Its a shame that the reclassification to be as generic as possible is an actual big upgrade
Its a shame that the reclassification to be as generic as possible is an actual big upgrade
Frontier: “We are going to optimize the ungulate species in this game so most of the world has proper hoofstock representation! Each dlc will will provide new species so no one is wanting in terms of options! Ungulates and hoofstock make up a huge selection of zoo species, everyone will be able to recreate their local zoos!”
: “Excuse me Mr. Frontier. A lot of zoos are also known for their collections of birds, as well as monkeys! When do you think we will see that part of the roster expanded on? These animals are also famous in zoo collections and captivity.”Frontier: “Did anyone hear something? Must have been the wind. Anyways, for the next dlc I was really thinking of completing the African antelope roster!”
I feel like the both packs are good realistic packs but I would be disappointed with both if they were what we got, especially Latin America being too carnivore heavy
I really like ungulates, they are easily the animal group I like the most in the entire animal kingdom and I'm very happy we have got so many amazing species in the game over the years, but I fully understand how all of you people must feel... I'll go as far as to say that birds and primates are arguably even more important when it comes to the generic basis of a zoos collection, your generalistic no-niche specific zoo is deemed to house at least several kinds of birds and primates, be it a big or small zoo.
Seeing that we are finishing off the whole DLC times, part of me still has hope that a few more hoofed boys will come our way (I'd still love a markhor, muntjac, pudu, Asian deer,...), but if those slots are given to birds and monkeys I'll be as happy (maybe even happier) than with the ungulates I want so much.
I’m also not against more ungulates but they have to be the right choices, absolutely no more medium sized African antelopes or swine
Musk ox, blackbuck, dik dik, duiker, muntjac, pudu or David Pére deer. Maybe markhor/aoudad. I can't think of any other ungulates that wouldn't feel redundant.
replace serval with secretary, love the markhor and all the other animals, spectacled bear for patagonian mara as i see ngl rhea and mara as a dynamic duo
also i think planet zoo actually will pull off a tamarin for walkthrough exhibit
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Asia Animal Pack:
Golden Snub Nosed Monkey {Headliner}
Chinese Alligator
Peres David Deer
Golden Pheasant
Markhor
Honey Badger/Black Buck
Mandarin Duck
Japanese Giant Salamander [E]
Golden Snub Nosed Monkey {Headliner}
Chinese Alligator
Peres David Deer
Golden Pheasant
Markhor
Honey Badger/Black Buck
Mandarin Duck
Japanese Giant Salamander [E]
Great list! Once again wetlands style diversity is the way to go. Even after saying “I have ungulate fatigue” having a dlc not mostly ungulate makes the Peere David’s deer and markhor instantly a better option.
- 1 monkey
- 1 mustelid
- 2 ungulates
- 2 birds
- 1 reptile
- 1 amphibian
This. This right here. It's not ungulates in general, it's not even antelopes in general, it's specifically African Antelopes.
Though I definitely admit 3 of the last 4 packs were very ungulate heavy.