DLC20 Discussion (maybe, but why not?)

I think some large carnivores are good to sell packs and provide some variety for habitat building in each animal pack. However, I don't really want the Asiatic Lion before the African lion gets an update. It would be weird to me for the 'good' lion not to be from Africa. After that, it's an animal that I'm kind of neutral towards but more ok with if the general public would like it. I'm not too sure in this case, but I think big carnivores generally sell.
A wise man once said, "it's an unfortunate fact of life that carnivores will always be more popular"
 
Like we shoudn't be requesting to pain again for the lion, we should instead be requesting a upgrade to the lion we already bought.
The thing is, it's not like we just want a 2nd one. As stated, updating the models has been one of the too requests for years. But the devs are ignoring updating the base game models. If they'd update them, a lot of these requests might not even exist
 
I'm gonna be honest, but Pz fans are the first persons that are not only fine with a predatory pratic, but activally want it to happen.

Like we shoudn't be requesting to pain again for the lion, we should instead be requesting a upgrade to the lion we already bought.
I agree. I mean people can like whatever they want but using slots in a DLC for updated versions of animals we already have feel scummy. We should be more outraged at that elephant tbh.
 
I'm gonna be honest, but Pz fans are the first persons that are not only fine with a predatory pratic, but activally want it to happen.

Like we shoudn't be requesting to pain again for the lion, we should instead be requesting a upgrade to the lion we already bought.
Everyone has their own preference. Many people wanted the American Flamingo even though we already have the Greater Flamingo. Some people want the Asiatic Lion, not because the current lion design isn't great, but because... the Asiatic Lion is a cool animal
 
I'm gonna be honest, but Pz fans are the first persons that are not only fine with a predatory pratic, but activally want it to happen.

Like we shoudn't be requesting to pain again for the lion, we should instead be requesting a upgrade to the lion we already bought.
I've been trying to persuade people to concede less ground against the devs for a good while, but some people just want more of the same without even giving a blink to the bigger picture and its ethos.
 
Everyone has their own preference. Many people wanted the American Flamingo even though we already have the Greater Flamingo. Some people want the Asiatic Lion, not because the current lion design isn't great, but because... the Asiatic Lion is a cool animal
Every animal, no matter how similar it looks to another, plays its own unique role.
American black bear looks like the Asian black bear, but it plays a role that some people want in their game: a much more common bear species...

The coyote looks like a wolf and is a desert canine, like the dingo. But it plays a different niche because it's an American Animal while the dingo is from Australia
 
The base game was a big fiasco to begin with. A lot of people don't use the Lion, so to them we don't have a lion. Nobody wanted the HBB, it should've been the EBB. Subspecies aren't bad if they look different and have different roles and niches.
The Asian lion is different than the African in looks and distribution, just like the Bengal is different than the Siberian.
If they just update the lion to be a generic lion and have slight model changes, that would satisfy a lot of people. But since it's likely they won't update it, the next step is asking for a new one
I accept the thing about the tigers, because it's true, both have different niches, and they have certain differences (with the Bengal tiger's fur being finer, and the Siberian tiger's being plusher, and with white tones). I also support the thing about the bear because it seemed strange to me (although the grizzly bear was enough). I no longer agree with the lion, because, except for their habitat, they have very similar roles and niches in nature.
 
I accept the thing about the tigers, because it's true, both have different niches, and they have certain differences (with the Bengal tiger's fur being finer, and the Siberian tiger's being plusher, and with white tones). I also support the thing about the bear because it seemed strange to me (although the grizzly bear was enough). I no longer agree with the lion, because, except for their habitat, they have very similar roles and niches in nature.
Yes and no. Asian lions aren't found in huge groups like African lions. They also look different, being smaller and having less fur around their manes while African lions have huge, shaggy manes
 
I don't think there's been any studies that refuted the position put by the IUCN that only 2 "African" lion (neither American nor steppe) subspecies exist
Last I checked it was still under debate. Maybe it's been decided since, but I personally don't agree with it. I can see lion be subdivided into basic African lions and then Asian lions.
All this could've been avoided had Frontier just went with a generic lion instead of a weird subspecies
 
Waking up to read that screenshot of Leaf was definitely one of the funniest things I have seen on the forum in awhile haha.

I think Leaf should have promised the WTE would be getting one flying bird in the Great Indian Hornbill, and then PZ would never get a flying bird again. That would have been funny.
 
Last I checked it was still under debate. Maybe it's been decided since, but I personally don't agree with it. I can see lion be subdivided into basic African lions and then Asian lions.
All this could've been avoided had Frontier just went with a generic lion instead of a weird subspecies
Yeah, It remains a point of debate, although it is already largely accepted in the scientific community.
Personally, I suggest myself to say that it is a generic lion, instead of a subspecies
 
Waking up to read that screenshot of Leaf was definitely one of the funniest things I have seen on the forum in awhile haha.

I think Leaf should have promised the WTE would be getting one flying bird in the Great Indian Hornbill, and then PZ would never get a flying bird again. That would have been funny.
What one must do so that this chat can continue to be stimulated until the announcement of the new DLC (which, I hope, pray and God willing) happens this week, be it Monday or Tuesday
 
I want the Asiatic Lion YES for a good lion model but also just because I like the animal. I want to build habitats for them. They’re unique enough to warrant inclusion, as they fill a nice that the other lion does not (being from an entirely different continent). I’m really excited about the possibility of their inclusion.

In terms of the elephant, sue me I just like newer models and am interested to see what Frontier does with the elephants considering the base game models look a little worse for wear.
Man I don’t know what standards you’re working with but both elephants and ESPECIALLY the Asian elephant still look incredible to me
 
Last I checked it was still under debate. Maybe it's been decided since, but I personally don't agree with it. I can see lion be subdivided into basic African lions and then Asian lions.
All this could've been avoided had Frontier just went with a generic lion instead of a weird subspecies
I see more pushback with leopards and especially tigers on the IUCN's position when it comes to panther subspecies count. Are there any papers that challenge the North/South split caused by the Congo?
 
I see more pushback with leopards and especially tigers on the IUCN's position when it comes to panther subspecies count. Are there any papers that challenge the North/South split caused by the Congo?
I didn't know about the leopards, this is the 1st I heard of it. The tigers is worse than the lions, for me. Because how can the huge, shaggy, cold climate Siberian tiger be the same as the smaller tropical tigers? (Rhetorical question)
I definitely think the tigers have more reason to stay as separate subspecies than the lions
 
The thing is, it's not like we just want a 2nd one. As stated, updating the models has been one of the too requests for years. But the devs are ignoring updating the base game models. If they'd update them, a lot of these requests might not even exist
I mean, that's the issue. We shoudn't be requesting a animal just because we want a better model for it, i won't advocat for the lesser rhea just because i don't like the greather rhea model, as a example.

If the main font of request is because of this, than you don't agree said animal might not be that requested?
I agree. I mean people can like whatever they want but using slots in a DLC for updated versions of animals we already have feel scummy. We should be more outraged at that elephant tbh.
Agreed, the lion is bad, but the elephant is 100% worse.
Everyone has their own preference. Many people wanted the American Flamingo even though we already have the Greater Flamingo. Some people want the Asiatic Lion, not because the current lion design isn't great, but because... the Asiatic Lion is a cool animal
I'm gonna be honest here, but most people seen to request the asian lion because is the first subspecie they can name, ans also because it's barely distinguible from the lion we have ingame.

If people really wanted a unique or interesting new lion, we would see the Tsavo lion be more popular (some could argue they already are ingame, but so does the asiatic.)
 
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