DLC20 Discussion (maybe, but why not?)

I don't know if this is it, but ducks are very very common all around England and especially Cambridgeshire, which is a wetland. Many species of ducks but especially mallards can be seen at almost any wild pond. On the river near me there are mallards, muscovy ducks, pintails, white-faced whistling ducks (yes really!), white and black swans, grey geese, egyptian geese, canada geese, as well as coots, moorhens and other wild waterfowl.

So I don't know if the Frontier team would just have an unconscious bias against considering ducks a zoo animal. They are everywhere around us here, and many people collect rarer or more exotic species for fun. So zoos tend not to exhibit them, they often just have open spaces for wild ones to fly in (along with swans and herons).

That might be it? I know we have other common wild British fauna in the game, eg red foxes, but outside of London they aren't seen on the daily for outdoorsy people, whereas ducks pretty much are. I guess the same could be said about swans but they are held in higher esteem I would argue, as they are considered royal birds, so have a bit more status, ha! Weird thing to say 😅

If this is the reason I'm not saying it's sensible, not at all, just that it might be the reason.
I'm sure they know there are other duck species. And even so, they we're also weirdly abscent from the barnyard pack (and remember we just got the swan in Eurasia back then so it was the obvious next step in waterfowl evolución, either that or a geese and the farm pack was the perfect opportunity to add them).

And idk about being saved for a sequel. I mean ducks are beloved by everyone. They are cute and popular, so it could be, but they don't have that star quality that a tiger has so i don't think it will change much if added now or later.
 
Kinda bummed about the fishing cat, not gonna lie. It and the serval were the last two essential cats in my eyes, and if this had been an India pack (or really, a general Asia pack without the known caveat) I would've been pushing for its inclusion hard.

Raccoon dog can still carry the pack...
After the reveal of no fishing cat i actually hope there isn't more canids or cats in this pack. But I'm actually expecting the raccoon dog and the sumatran tiger ('i'm calling it now) and no bird (a third ungulate instead).
 

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Just my thoughts. I think of all the subspecies of elephant we could’ve got, the reason Bornean was picked was because predominantly because of the word ‘pygmy’. ZT2 had the extinct dwarf Sicilian elephant and I remember as a kid thinking it was so bizarre. I think they probably think it’s fairly easy to market a ‘pygmy’ elephant to the general public (even if it’s not actually that small). Considerably more so than an ‘Sri Lankan Elephant’, note in the game files it’s specifically called ‘Bornean pygmy elephant’ and not just ‘Bornean elephant’. That’s intentional. Add to that they’re very rare - only around 1500 in the wild.


Now for my two cents:

Elephant aside, I’m very content with the other three confirmed species in the roster. Peré David’s deer has been one of my top ungulates for a while now - definitely my top choice for an Asian deer over the Indian options. That being said, I’d have rathered this was an Indian pack with Nilgai, blackbuck and Gaur as the three ungulates and no silly elephant.

That that takes us to the remaining three spots. I think like others, the reveal that this isn’t an India pack and that there’s a semi-aquatic challenge listing the species rules out a lot of animals that I considered front runners. Fishing cat is done, as is any kind of waterfowl or crane for example. Mugger crocodile too.

I also think the inclusion of the Peré David’s deer significantly flattens a lot of the ungulates chances - I suspect we’ll only get one more. My thoughts are - Gaur out. Nilgai definitely out (I felt this was the least likely of the trio already). I still hold hope for the blackbuck given its popularity, the need for an Indian antelope and the fact that the next most popular pick for an ungulate could be a Reeve’s Muntjac - but that’s another Chinese deer so, not looking likely now.
Two sleeper picks could be - Lowland Anoa or Javan Banteng though.

As for the other pick I’m also solidly in the Raccoon dog camp. Represents far East and Japan. Is an unusual canid like the bush dog and very popular in both the forums and pop culture.
With the fishing cat seemingly out, I’m unsure what else could fit here for another small carnivore (and I imagine we’ll get more than one) only doubt is, does it look too similar to the honey badger for both in one pack?

That leaves the last slot and tbh, I’m struggling to think what it’s likely to be beyond a pheasant or, as someone has pointed out, a green peafowl. Other option - Asiatic Lion (let’s face it, we’re likely to get at least one cat…)
Wetlands birds are out given the challenge, I doubt we’re getting three ungulates and there’s not really any obvious picks for a third after blackbuck. I don’t think we’re getting another primate either given a) we’ve been given a lot lately and b) there’s again, not too many obvious choices. I think langurs are gone with the fall of the Indian concept. Sulawesi macaque would be fun but we’re not getting two macaques in one pack (at least I don’t think we’ve fallen that far yet). A snub-nose? Possible but I hope not. Proboscis monkey proudly holds the niche of dumb rare Asian leaf monkey.
Here’s a thought though. Could we get an updated Sumatran orangutan?

So here’s my predicted roster for the Asian Animal Pack.
  • Honey Badger
  • Lion-Tailed Macaque
  • Pére David’s Deer
  • Bornean Pygmy Elephant
  • Blackbuck

and two of:

Raccoon Dog/Green Peafowl/Asiatic Lion/Sumatran Orangutan/Golden Pheasant.

My best guess is - Green Peafowl and Raccoon Dog. My gut says Asiatic lion is more likely over the raccoon dog but they wouldn’t give us three reskins right? (Elephant, peafowl and lion?)
 
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After the reveal of no fishing cat i actually hope there isn't more canids or cats in this pack. But I'm actually expecting the raccoon dog and the sumatran tiger ('i'm calling it now) and no bird (a third ungulate instead).
I would actually somewhat like the marbled or Asian golden cat.

My current best-case scenario for tomorrow (noon or 2 p.m. or whenever) is:

  • Blackbuck
  • gaur, lowland anoa or saola
  • golden pheasant or monal.

Instead of the pehasant (which is unlikely IMO), I would definitely take a marbled or golden cat. Or even an asiatic lion if need be. But please no canid and no Sumatran Tiger.
 
Would you take a sable, a Japanese Marten or another Asian mustelid instead of the raccoon dog?

Sulawesi Macaque of course has the advantage that Naruto is world-famous.
 
and remember we just got the swan in Eurasia back then so it was the obvious next step in waterfowl evolución, either that or a geese and the farm pack was the perfect opportunity to add them
Unless of course their game metrics showed them that the swan wasn't being used that much and that stopped them from going further down that route?

Of course, there's not going to be one single reason why we haven't seen ducks yet, obviously there would be a multitude of reasons; but perhaps the numbers ended up being so dramatic that it caused a course correction in that regard?

(Doesn't mean I agree with it though, I just consider it a likely candidate for the list of reasons why we haven't seen one yet)
 
I also agree that elephant aside the pack so far is looking good in the animal picks. I also think the green peafowl would be a terrible pick, on pair with the elephant, considering the miriad of galliforms that live all throughout Asia with pheasants being so important. I can see a junglefowl though. And I think after we just got the bush dog, the tanuki is kind of a given.

Like you said we are also likely to get another cat and I think the sumatran tiger is a very likely candidate, more so than the asiatic lion (though any of them are fair game tbh).

Third one is probably going to be another ungulate. I don't think neither blackbuck nor Muntjac are out of the possibilities (muntjacs might be deer but they look nothing like your classic deer and very different from the pere David deer so they could be in the pack without feeling like too much of the same thing) but You are all forgetting than since is going to be an Asia Pack CAPRINES are back in the game lol chinese goral, japanese serow, himalayan tahr, bharal, argali, urial, tibetano antelope... So many wonderful possibilities isn't it?
 
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