Oh, my bad!
I actually view getting in and disrupting the beta as good public service especially considering you'll be testing C&P while doing it!!!!
Do you hate the Engineer change? Let the Beta burn!
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Oh, my bad!
I actually view getting in and disrupting the beta as good public service especially considering you'll be testing C&P while doing it!!!!
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Again, when god-rolled modules are used for ganking, those will get marked and will be lost for the user.
That is a pretty big incentive for not using them for ganking - so that's all good.
No, but they must have seen reviews and maybe saw the previous films made so would be going on experience.
Name one thing FDev got right in any of the updates they did except the planets (before they beiged them ofc).
Because there is an entitled culture in ED of players trying to hold back those ahead and an Elite culture of those ahead trying force back those behind.
And who is ahead or behind in this game is relative.
I trust what Sandro said and im sure the new system will outpace the old.. Sandro said that they designed it this way. And for fairness Grandfathered modules are preserved for people to work up from if they choose.
Sandro also said that if your existing G5 mod is less than 75% optimal you'd probably be wise to swap it into the new system.
Which would imply that if it's better than 75% optimal you shouldn't - presumably because you won't be able to improve it under the new system.
And that's a lot of existing mod's that can't be improved under the new system.
No, he said you’d see an increase upon the very first conversion, more or less. Quite different.
Urgh, emotionally over-invested fans are just the worst. If a customer tells you they're unhappy, the sensible response for any business is to listen to them, not say "But my cheerleaders love me, so bye."
Three very simple questions for this thread, because I can't even muster the energy any more to log in just to go buy the Type 10 and complete my ship set again these days, let alone bother with the beta...
1.) Are people really so self absorbed you don't understand pulling maybe hundreds of hours of tedious grind off people by resetting engineering would actually kill the wider player retention, and thus the game?
2.) If previous engineering is indeed grand-fathered in... Is Engineering still as hopelessly opaque as previously? Take Frame Shift Drives, you can't even see the effects on actual range on those; are we now comparing a secondary we need an external spreadsheet to work out the benefits of, to a system that doesn't even have secondaries? And then waiting for the hyper-nerds to estimate what the actual new caps are, because Frontier think mystery is better than content? How exactly are we going to know we have a comparative God Roll?
3.) And finally, what is even the point of bothering? There's nothing new to do. The "personalized narrative" is just another engineer grind with the same old materials to... what? Unlock new weapons to shoot the same old stuff? Or maybe, as with engineers, be forced to do another grind because the same old stuff is now buffed at Elite and you need those better weapons? But why would I? What's the point?
And that's before the inevitable round of horrendous bugs that'll sneak in to launch. The reason the forums have exploded with negativity is, in large part, because of the kind of toxic "positivism" that refuses to accept Elite really has very serious problems and which really do need addressing, and fast; We need actual new gameplay right now; but then people get patronized for trying to raise that concern. Excessive fan boostering for bad content isn't helping.
The saddest thing is, no matter how much you dote on Frontier, if the designs are in open beta... it's obviously far too late for any kind of feedback on actual full systems. What you see is what we're largely going to get. When was the last time you saw a game company actually even use public suggestions, by the way? Software types tend to be in the business because they want to implement their ideas; most of the "we're listening" is really just PR, they're never going to say "Wow, your idea was even better than the one I had, let's try what you suggested!"
It's just... urgh again. I'm not even sure why I bothered phrasing my questions. Probably just so those who still think it's worth trying to resist bad content can run with them. Because I suspect I already know the answers myself. How many months has it been since Horizons now?
Three very simple questions for this thread, because I can't even muster the energy any more to log in just to go buy the Type 10 and complete my ship set again these days, let alone bother with the beta...
1.) Are people really so self absorbed you don't understand pulling maybe hundreds of hours of tedious grind off people by resetting engineering would actually kill the wider player retention, and thus the game?
2.) If previous engineering is indeed grand-fathered in... Is Engineering still as hopelessly opaque as previously? Take Frame Shift Drives, you can't even see the effects on actual range on those; are we now comparing a secondary we need an external spreadsheet to work out the benefits of, to a system that doesn't even have secondaries? And then waiting for the hyper-nerds to estimate what the actual new caps are, because Frontier think mystery is better than content? How exactly are we going to know we have a comparative God Roll?
3.) And finally, what is even the point of bothering? There's nothing new to do. The "personalized narrative" is just another engineer grind with the same old materials to... what? Unlock new weapons to shoot the same old stuff? Or maybe, as with engineers, be forced to do another grind because the same old stuff is now buffed at Elite and you need those better weapons? But why would I? What's the point?
And that's before the inevitable round of horrendous bugs that'll sneak in to launch. The reason the forums have exploded with negativity is, in large part, because of the kind of toxic "positivism" that refuses to accept Elite really has very serious problems and which really do need addressing, and fast; We need actual new gameplay right now; but then people get patronized for trying to raise that concern. Excessive fan boostering for bad content isn't helping.
The saddest thing is, no matter how much you dote on Frontier, if the designs are in open beta... it's obviously far too late for any kind of feedback on actual full systems. What you see is what we're largely going to get. When was the last time you saw a game company actually even use public suggestions, by the way? Software types tend to be in the business because they want to implement their ideas; most of the "we're listening" is really just PR, they're never going to say "Wow, your idea was even better than the one I had, let's try what you suggested!"
It's just... urgh again. I'm not even sure why I bothered phrasing my questions. Probably just so those who still think it's worth trying to resist bad content can run with them. Because I suspect I already know the answers myself. How many months has it been since Horizons now?
Minor correction: There is an entitled culture among gamers in general. most games just pander to egos, putting the player in the centre and letting them have influence on world or universe-scale conflicts. ED set out to not be like that, to make us small parts of a big world. We were even supposed to not meet each other that often. But of course, the MMOers flock in key systems and do the equivalent of jumping in front of the gates of Orgrimmar and having random duels. They probably think it is fun too. [/GRUMP]
Unfortunately I don't have much time for gaming this summer, but I look forward to see what Beyond brings when winter encroaches. It looks like a lot of great changes so far.
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It was stated by Sandro in the C&P stream. The ship and all modules on it get marked as hot.
If those modules are mounted in a clean ship, they'll show up on a crime scan as hot.