Doing the same mistakes for 25 years?

Reading comprehension much?
"If you don't like it walk away." See, this is a problematic mindset, since our only other options is NMS or SC, one isn't out and the other was a scam. You can't expect us to happily accept this game for what it is, but instead wish this game could fill its potential.
LOLWUT!!! [haha]
You know who will have the last laugh in the end, that's all I gotta say about this.
...you are a fool if you believe any of it.
Doesn't matter. Point stands.
 
Does anyone have the numbers (%) of players that are playing for fun v the cosplay commanders who play as if it's real life?
I mean if fdev want to make money, then surely they should listen to the majority.
My guess is (at most) 5% do the cosplay part.
I love elite but just want more fun things to do, something like....CMDR.. take this stolen eagle, we modified the thrusters and put some explosive cargo in it for you. Take it and upload a virus to the capital ship in that hrez, then fly kamikaze straight into the sheild generator to take it down so our ships can jump in and attack. Jettison in the escape pod before impact and we will send a scout ship to collect you....
You get the idea. I bet if fdev asked the community then we would come up with some great missions other than the current borefest.

Regrettably I have started to play less and less as the weeks go by, fortunately the weather is getting better and luring me outside.

It will be a shame if something better ever comes out.
 
Does anyone have the numbers (%) of players that are playing for fun v the cosplay commanders who play as if it's real life?
I mean if fdev want to make money, then surely they should listen to the majority.
My guess is (at most) 5% do the cosplay part.
I love elite but just want more fun things to do, something like....CMDR.. take this stolen eagle, we modified the thrusters and put some explosive cargo in it for you. Take it and upload a virus to the capital ship in that hrez, then fly kamikaze straight into the sheild generator to take it down so our ships can jump in and attack. Jettison in the escape pod before impact and we will send a scout ship to collect you....
You get the idea. I bet if fdev asked the community then we would come up with some great missions other than the current borefest.

Regrettably I have started to play less and less as the weeks go by, fortunately the weather is getting better and luring me outside.

It will be a shame if something better ever comes out.
This.
 
So people have to just accept that ED is never gonna be close to what we expected, just because you said so. Gotcha.

No, that is not his point. People should accept reality not because he says so, but because that is what even remotely reasonable people do. If you dont like a hobby, try something else. If you do like it but would like some improvements, make reasonable and constructive comments. If you complain that something hasnt been to your liking for thirty years, and keep complaining for years while also playing for thousands of hours, that is just weird.

Sure, people can do just that, and this forum is testament that some actually do, but dont be surprised when people point out the obvious: its super weird. :)
 

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If they were complaining about the exact same thing then perhaps the company could try a different approach maybe?

If the complaints are the same as before then that’s the very definition of making the same mistakes over and over. That’s not really the players fault, that’s the fault of those making the same mistakes ^

LOL.
Combat is too hard.
Flying is difficult.

Trouble is, if you take those 'mistakes' out then the game isn't Elite anymore :D
 
I bet if fdev asked the community then we would come up with some great missions other than the current borefest.

Of course. Its not the 'thinking of cool missions' that is the hard part. Its making a game that is. I can also tell you what would be amazing in a game of football, what would be superb to do in a hostage situation and tell you what you need to do to a violin to make it sound great. Unfortunately, I can do none of that. However, I dont pretend that me making up stuff in my head is a super amazing skill, and that anyone who doesnt do what is in my head therefor is lacking my grand and awesome Vision.

I just concede that making stuff up is easier than actually making stuff. :)
 
No, that is not his point. People should accept reality not because he says so, but because that is what even remotely reasonable people do. If you dont like a hobby, try something else. If you do like it but would like some improvements, make reasonable and constructive comments. If you complain that something hasnt been to your liking for thirty years, and keep complaining for years while also playing for thousands of hours, that is just weird.

Sure, people can do just that, and this forum is testament that some actually do, but dont be surprised when people point out the obvious: its super weird. :)
It's not that they don't like the game at all. It's that this game is far too little for what they would like. It's like ordering a Big Mac but instead getting a Whopper Jr. Same size, but something completely different in taste and texture. That's their complaints. Only reason why I don't play SC is that my PC can't handle it anymore since 3.0 dropped.
 
Coming from the discussion from Yamiks' video "we" came to the point where it was speculated where this partly weird game design came from. Today I came across an article from the German PC magazine Gamestar, which has a monthly article series on bad, old PC games and the circumstances at the time, called: "Legendary bad". In January it featured "Frontier - Elite 2" (online article here (subscription only!). It shows, even back then journalists and players strongly disagreed on a verdict on this game. While some liked the complexity and diversity, some criticized flight model, controls and lack of story. Mostly the technical achievement of the galaxy simulation was acclaimed, while the game mechanics are said to be lacking. On that, even Ian Bell was agreeing: "It is one thing to write a simulator, but games are about fun, not realism".
Further the article states it was possible to land on planets and see cities, but with nothing to do besides "generic and boring missions". "First encounter", the successor of "Frontier - Elite 2", is being described as having a lot of bugs and having fundamental problems.

tl;dr: While FDev has solved the performance problems of earlier titles, it seems they are doing the same mistakes, they did 25 years ago:
- generic, boring missions
- lacking story
- overly complex gui and handling
- in general "user-hostile"
- a whole galaxy empty of content

I haven't played the old titles, but it really shocked me to see the same flaws in Elite: Dangerous 25 years later.

Latest thing in series is in same conceptual mould as previous things in series.

Stop the press.
 
@ sleutelbos

With this attitude humans will still be living in caves...
How long before the next update is a ship with level 5 hard points which you have to fly here and grind there for another 100 hrs....i suppose you can't wait for it.

Elite has the potential to be so good, and make fdev buckets of cash, let's steer it in that direction.
 
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It's not that they don't like the game at all. It's that this game is far too little for what they would like. It's like ordering a Big Mac but instead getting a Whopper Jr. Same size, but something completely different in taste and texture. That's their complaints. Only reason why I don't play SC is that my PC can't handle it anymore since 3.0 dropped.

Except that you didn't order a Big Mac. You just want something else to become a Big Mac, because your local McDonalds apparantly broke down after the latest update. ;) Just because SC has been a terrible fiasco doesnt mean that other companies should now start making your dream game. If your point is the game world should be smaller but handcrafted, with a string of unique missions for an over-arching storyline, then that is fine but you simply want a completely different game then the Elite series has ever been about.

There is this thing that whenever a game involves 'space' than everyone's imagination starts to run wild. It doenst lead to happiness, neither here nor with any other game.
 
@ sleutelbos

With this attitude humans will still be living in caves...
How long before the next update is a ship with level 5 hard points which you have to fly here and grind there for another 100 hrs....i suppose you can't wait for it.

Elite has the potential to be so good, and make fdev buckets of cash, let's steer it in that direction.

I am reasonably confident the reason we dont live in caves is not because we had an army of people sitting inside their caves moaning about how stupid caves were. ;)

Which direction?

The good one. You know, with fun. Not like the bad one, with no fun. Except for stupid people who 'cosplay games'. They find unfun stuff fun, but that is stupid. More real fun = good, good = more money!

Jeez, how dense are ya. :p
 
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This is the last year Elite D will grow while being obviously subpar for 2018-19.
There’s a horde of new sci fi space setting games coming out -Bethesda’s StarField and Star Citizen Alpha 3.4 by December.
Elite has been great , just got long in the tooth in last 18 months, it’s a mature game, all,good. Maybe FDev will make something new after the Dinos era fades.
Try IL2 or DCS Normandy for dogfighting...
Go to Space Engine wpage and ask for a vehicle...
Xmas time will yield quite a few options, anyways it’s summer, get out into the world you crazy brainiac kids.
Peace and discovery.
Out
 
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Except that you didn't order a Big Mac. You just want something else to become a Big Mac, because your local McDonalds apparantly broke down after the latest update. ;) Just because SC has been a terrible fiasco doesnt mean that other companies should now start making your dream game. If your point is the game world should be smaller but handcrafted, with a string of unique missions for an over-arching storyline, then that is fine but you simply want a completely different game then the Elite series has ever been about.

There is this thing that whenever a game involves 'space' than everyone's imagination starts to run wild. It doenst lead to happiness, neither here nor with any other game.
You're taking many things way out of context.


Oh, and no I did order a Big Mac. Don't tell me otherwise.
 
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