"Don't rush into an Anaconda, do Engineering first...."

[Dragsham]

Theres no progressive game where grind isn't part of it. Thats just how it is.
You want stuff you go get it and again and again till you've had your fill.
I wish there was another way. I've asked for another concept but to date there isn't one.
We farm to build. We work in RL the same grind. Same times places etc. So its just an extension of what we really do. Which is a bind I get that.
Till some clever devs figure out a way of gaming without mats and grinding or powerlevelling, we're stuck with it.
Best make do. 11 fully engineered ships im as guilty of grind as much as anyone here. There's some cmdrs with 40+ ships all engineered.
So I'm not the only one.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

And if your answer to my dilemma, like others, is to simply ignore the mechanic altogether - that's a daming indictment on how the system is currently implemented. Why would anyone put something in a game that's best left ignored?

People are really just trying to help you.

But now that you've arrived here.. thats your other certain mistake.. assuming frontier developments are just the others. Thinking frontier act or even look at players the same way as your experience with every other developer will lead to disappointment and heartache. They're a little bit special.

 

[Dragsham]

Thats putting it mildly hehehehe

 

[Misty_Dark]

And you act like I'm being evasive when I don't recall anyone directly asking me what I do in the game, granted I haven't kept up with every single post. Also, what bearing does that even have?

Now this is quite interesting, I have asked you this question atleast ONE time, and I know that you have got asked the same question atleast TWO times before I asked about it.

And the bearing for why to ask it, is to find out what you like to do, so that people could offer suggestion to incorporate engineering into your normal gameplay, you know the stuff you say you liked doing before started with engineering...

 

[Stealthie]

While I do appreciate everyone's input on this topic, even those who replied with a bit of snark, I'm seeing a common theme here that seems a bit conflicting to me.

Statement One: ED Is a sandbox, there is no "point". It's choosing your own adventure, your own path, there is no right or wrong way to play.
Statement Two: Oh well, if you were playing the RIGHT WAY, you should have already had all those Engineering Materials. What were you doing jumping right into a big ship you wanted in the first place!? That is the WRONG WAY to play this game. You should be playing it MY way.

The only conflict is in your claim that you have no interest in engineering while, at the same time, moaning that engineering your Anaconda is a "grind".

That's kind of like saying "I have no inteest in driving a car" and then saying "It's annoying that I can't drive places".

You don't HAVE to drive a car.
If you want to drive places, however, you need drive a car.

That's not a paradox.
It's a conditional statement, based on your requirements.

 

[Stealthie]

And you act like I'm being evasive when I don't recall anyone directly asking me what I do in the game, granted I haven't kept up with every single post.

Combat, exploration, visiting planets, running missions, investigating POIs and outposts IS Elite: Dangerous.
There is no more.
If you think those things are "a grind" then I can't help wondering what you do enjoy about the game.

If it's unlocking engineers that's the problem, and you're on PC, give me a shout and we can hook up and I'll help you in whatever way I can.
If you're struggling to collect the mat's, I can show you the places to find them.
Hell, if you want to board my Fleet Carrier, I'll take you out to the shard sites so you can collect your raw mat's.

I really don't mean to have a go at you but WHAT were you doing in the game that was fun, but you can't do and collect mat's at the same time?

If you've been doing a limited selection of things, and enjoying them, I guess it's time to broaden your horizons and see what else you might enjoy doing.
Almost every activity in ED can provide mat's, either by finding them or as payments for missions.

As I already said, tell us what you've been doing and what you enjoy doing and people will offer suitable suggestions for gathering mat's.

 

[Rat Catcher]

Reading through post histories is very revealing...
We have posters who wish to assail our senses with the grand injustice of perceived grind and will continue to do so as no-one but they have wisdom.

Have fun in your grind and misery, please take no notice at all of the useful information given you by others, they obviously cannot understand your suffering.

Meanwhile, those of us who amass those very same materials just by playing this game as we wish will sit in the background laughing at you from our G5 everything engineered fleet as we had fun getting there

Happy New Year - enjoy the grind, or not...

 

[WR3ND]

Well, i happen to disagree. For a start, i had (unknowingly) unlocked a number of engineers before engineers even was a thing. I was doing those things because i enjoyed them, not because of engineers.

I'd already mined 500t of rock. I'd already travelled 5000 LY. And things like getting friendly with a certain faction or earning so many bonds/bounties for a faction were just part of my regular play.

Some of the first level unlocking, sure, but actually getting mods "organically" seems unlikely. Just saying.

Well either way, it is largely an inorganic activity in the game, and if you want Engineer mods, you have to work for them. This is why I have so few, by the way. I'd generally rather enjoy playing the game. I may be eccentric, but I'm not a masochist.

Cheers and happy new year. o7

 

[Dragsham]

If you can build your ship, when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on others, your a cmdr my padawan

 

[Eraden]

Perhaps we are approaching this discussion with the OP from the wrong angle. Has he indicated what sort of activities he wishes to do in this game? I'm being a bit lazy at the moment and not bothering to comb through all 11 pages again. The thing is, if he can let us know what he wants to do and what he enjoys doing in this game, we might have a better handle on whether or not he even needs engineered modules to begin with.

 

[Rat Catcher]

Perhaps we are approaching this discussion with the OP from the wrong angle. Has he indicated what sort of activities he wishes to do in this game? I'm being a bit lazy at the moment and not bothering to comb through all 11 pages again. The thing is, if he can let us know what he wants to do and what he enjoys doing in this game, we might have a better handle on whether or not he even needs engineered modules to begin with.

Original Post:

"Don't rush into an Anaconda, do Engineering first...."

Aaaaaand that's exactly when this game went from fun and exciting to something I can barely justify logging in for. The grind is horrible. The complete lack of any in-game direction for this Engineering stuff is unbelievable. I'm juggling 10 different third-party tools and YouTube videos...

forums.frontier.co.uk

Make of that what you will, the following posts do not appear to clarify matters

If you don't wish to search through the thread to seek clarification just read through the OP's post history (It is quite interesting, honestly!)

 

[Starshot_Jigawatts]

I one have had enough about hearing how you feel about the game. You were presented with solutions, you don't want those. You don't like the game? Ok .. stop complaining, stop playing.. case closed.

This is a feedback and discussion forum and because someone gives theirs about a single aspect of the game you tell them to quit it?

You need a serious attitide adjustment kid. Why are you taking this so personal? I don't hate the game, I'm not going to quit. In another thread I said this was hands down the best space game I've ever played. That's not praise I give out to just any game.

What is wrong with you? You didn't even buy the game but come here and tell people they should quit because they committed the grave sin of feedback and criticism of things they think could be improved on?

Maybe you should quit the forums instead. There was no reason for you to go on this rant and start attacking me because you have a different opinion on Engineers.

 

[WR3ND]

...

Since the Engineers Beta, I and others have said it'd be nice if they had mission progression options instead of just fetch quests to kill 1000 rats and bring back their hides and the like, as it were. This was Horizons though, and repeatedly collecting stuff was the new stereotypical MMO style game-play Frontier were going for.

It's called time sink padding. Welcome to modern gaming, I'm afraid. And yes, best sci-fi spaceship space game for sure, especially when the game-play doesn't get in the way of playing it, which unfortunately can be a bit too often, if you intend to progress in the game on Frontier's terms. It's busy work for the sake of busy work. That is by design.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

This is a feedback and discussion forum and because someone gives theirs about a single aspect of the game you tell them to quit it?

You need a serious attitide adjustment kid. Why are you taking this so personal? I don't hate the game, I'm not going to quit. In another thread I said this was hands down the best space game I've ever played. That's not praise I give out to just any game.

What is wrong with you? You didn't even buy the game but come here and tell people they should quit because they committed the grave sin of feedback and criticism of things they think could be improved on?

Maybe you should quit the forums instead. There was no reason for you to go on this rant and start attacking me because you have a different opinion on Engineers.

Bear in mind that you are forum user #55949 complaining about engineering, and will not be the last one either.

There's at least one poster here that endlessly moans and complains about engineering for years now, and he hasn't played the game for years, either.

Going around in circles about the same old topic is only fun for so long, especially those of us who have been here for a while. These threads are so tediously predictable in how they turn out it's not even funny.

 

[Dragsham]

Indeed work rewards. We al know that. The ethic is knitted into our psyche.
But having to do it ingame as like RL work work reward...mmmm I struggle with the concept.
I've repeatedly asked for another and wish I could create one to suggest but... tis a void apart from what we have.
Farm.. get.. farm.. get, so on.

 

[Factabulous]

Especially tedious as the posters often are new players who are just going through the learning curve... and so they literally don't know what they are talking about.

 

[WR3ND]

Spoiler

You have to remember that consumers are domesticated farm animals raised to make a profit, fed corn and soybeans to fatten them up, beaten with a stick when they get out of line, and motivated with shiny carrots.

 

[Rat Catcher]

Especially tedious as the posters often are new players who are just going through the learning curve... and so they literally don't know what they are talking about.

We were all new players once, and climbing the same hill (although I arrived post-engineers, unlike many) from the starter area.

I think the major difference to the ED experience for new players is the amount of tat published on youtube et. al. telling people 'how to play' - often in the most tedious way possible as it is claimed to be 'efficient', (I only joined this forum after around 8 months of play and needed an answer I couldn't find in-game and did a search to be directed here) rather than enjoyable. (and of course brings in those precious 'clicks'!)

There have been many comments here and the reaction to them indifferent or worse, perhaps the best thing to do is let the 'new' player carry on grinding?

 

[Rat Catcher]

You have to remember that consumers are domesticated farm animals raised to make a profit, fed corn and soybeans to fatten them up, beaten with a stick when they get out of line, and motivated with shiny carrots.

Wow! I'm glad I'm not from your country

 

[Deleted member 182079]

Especially tedious as the posters often are new players who are just going through the learning curve... and so they literally don't know what they are talking about.

It's maybe not a nice thing to say but I've given up helping noobs after spending literally hours giving a new player a boost in-game, someone who got frustrated with even the most basic tasks like scooping up cargo, and then declaring the game's "a bit boring lol" - I learned all these things slowly over time without anyone else babysitting me (and before I even knew these forums existed) and that was quite frankly part of the fun. Giving the game away for free is certainly a double edged sword as it attracts players who didn't read up at all on how the game works and whether they'll enjoy its particularities (not saying everything is perfect but I either arrange myself with it or I move on).

If you don't have that mindset and want everything on a silver platter then you will struggle getting any enjoyment out of Elite. Not my problem at the end of the day.