Dust settling?
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personally i have put many many hours and many many lightyears into this game already and have been loving nearly every minute. sure there are things that can be improved but its basically the game i played to death as a 10 year old updated for the modern age and i am very, very happy!
i hope the forums improve, maybe its a reflection on the modern gamer as this kind of endless whining and going over and over the same complaints/topics seems to be on many game forums.
i must say some of the facebook groups seem to be full of older gamers, full of friendly help and tips and good discussion.
i hope the forums improve, maybe its a reflection on the modern gamer as this kind of endless whining and going over and over the same complaints/topics seems to be on many game forums.
i must say some of the facebook groups seem to be full of older gamers, full of friendly help and tips and good discussion.
I have played quite a few mmos. Sorry to break it to you OP, but the ones that stick around are, in many cases, the most hostile, obnoxious, and unhelpful people of all.
Welcome to every game launch ever since the internet. This is pretty standard for any game, even popular AAA top-grossing titles get the exact same treatment.
The dust settles when the game is dying.
There are many reasons it doesn't go back to that earlier stage.
For one thing, the forums were only peaceful and harmonious as long as you avoided certain topics. Outright hostility was evident otherwise - but just fewer people who chose to talk about them.
But the main thing is, that group of people who follow and talk about a game long before it's released are not the core gamers. They're a subset of the people who will play the game. It's common for them to think that the game is only for them, but that is not the case (though it's more the case with ED than most). Many people will pick the game up closer to release and after release, and they are important too - not just people who will drop it in 5 minutes. In fact some will stay with it for a long time, while some Kickstarter backers will not play much at all.
Also, games have a phase of development where it's more in the imagination than it is real. Everyone fills all the gaps with good things and can see how the game will be great. At some point it becomes a real game with real weaknesses, and concerns that early backers themselves had, but thought would be figured out now become things they don't like about a real game.
That part isn't a change in the character of the audience, it's a transition to a real product which can be judged on its merits not its potential.
The long and short of it is, when people stop complaining about a game they stop playing it too. And contrary to popular belief, when all the complainers have stopped playing, almost everyone else has too.
There are many reasons it doesn't go back to that earlier stage.
For one thing, the forums were only peaceful and harmonious as long as you avoided certain topics. Outright hostility was evident otherwise - but just fewer people who chose to talk about them.
But the main thing is, that group of people who follow and talk about a game long before it's released are not the core gamers. They're a subset of the people who will play the game. It's common for them to think that the game is only for them, but that is not the case (though it's more the case with ED than most). Many people will pick the game up closer to release and after release, and they are important too - not just people who will drop it in 5 minutes. In fact some will stay with it for a long time, while some Kickstarter backers will not play much at all.
Also, games have a phase of development where it's more in the imagination than it is real. Everyone fills all the gaps with good things and can see how the game will be great. At some point it becomes a real game with real weaknesses, and concerns that early backers themselves had, but thought would be figured out now become things they don't like about a real game.
That part isn't a change in the character of the audience, it's a transition to a real product which can be judged on its merits not its potential.
The long and short of it is, when people stop complaining about a game they stop playing it too. And contrary to popular belief, when all the complainers have stopped playing, almost everyone else has too.
Yes - seconded.
As an aside, isn't fanboy sexist? Surely it should be fanbod?
Mmmm... but then, that might be shapist - so, enthusianista... too close to euthanasia...? fanam, too close to gangnam...?
...double-dog-dammit, this is a minefield...
I think it is important to remember that even in it's heyday forum will have very small, very vocal, sometimes very annoying part of community. It is hard to avoid really. Internet is a like a megaphone - it amplifies those who really want to speak up. And majority of people just don't.
Use ignore a lot, just avoid threads you know you won't like. Help people with their problems to get that 'done some good' feeling. Avoid arguing same things over and over again.
Use ignore a lot, just avoid threads you know you won't like. Help people with their problems to get that 'done some good' feeling. Avoid arguing same things over and over again.
Is there a PB forum?
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When i joined i was part of the influx of "noobs" joining the Alpha and KS backers. The forum was great, loads of positive ideas, actual discussions (I even remember several instances of people actually changing their minds in the face of a well put argument!), the devs participated and could speak frankly without someone freaking out (too much) and threatening legal action.
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It was great.
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When i joined i was part of the influx of "noobs" joining the Alpha and KS backers. The forum was great, loads of positive ideas, actual discussions (I even remember several instances of people actually changing their minds in the face of a well put argument!), the devs participated and could speak frankly without someone freaking out (too much) and threatening legal action.
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It was great.
Every MMO forum is contentious to a degree, and I think it's important to remember that people who are enjoying the hell out of the game probably aren't posting as much here. However, the ED forums suffer from two problems that not every MMO does.
First, the lack of any real competition in the genre. Until Star Citizen offers a more complete experience, and Valkyrie does whatever it's doing, there will be people here trying to push the game into being something it's not, because it isn't a good match for how they like to play and it's the only game in town. After one of those games actually hits the market, the pressure to drastically alter the game should ease up a little.
The second problem is that FD is hyping the game with marketing that makes it look like a completely different game than the reality. If the marketing was just a little more honest in deflating assumptions about what's possible in this game, and what the intended playing styles are, then the forums would see less drama. But of course that would mean selling fewer units, so good luck with that.
First, the lack of any real competition in the genre. Until Star Citizen offers a more complete experience, and Valkyrie does whatever it's doing, there will be people here trying to push the game into being something it's not, because it isn't a good match for how they like to play and it's the only game in town. After one of those games actually hits the market, the pressure to drastically alter the game should ease up a little.
The second problem is that FD is hyping the game with marketing that makes it look like a completely different game than the reality. If the marketing was just a little more honest in deflating assumptions about what's possible in this game, and what the intended playing styles are, then the forums would see less drama. But of course that would mean selling fewer units, so good luck with that.
Good points,
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Even though there was a vocal minority who were a bit "bolshy" the general tone was better <takes rose tinted glasses off, polishes them, puts them back on>
Honestly could not have said it better myself...have some rep there sir!
I couldn't agree with this more. The sort of hostility that the 'core' audience often expresses towards new players drives people off. Then you end up with a sullen 'core' wondering why there are no targets for them, no one to pvp with, no friends to tackle group content with. See Wildstar as a very prime example of this.
When the 'dust settles,' it is really important for there still to be an audience left. The very tiny fraction of customers who post thousands of times on the official forums are not going to keep an mmo alive (at least not without serious whale milking cash shop tactics).
From my experience in other MMOs the dust settles when the majority stopped caring and moved on to other games. Overall, it would be very informative to have server statistics from FD to understand how many are actively playing the game, how many new players are there and how many people have stopped playing.
Guess it's too late to upgrade from PB2 now eh? Shame...
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
It would indeed - but Frontier aren't telling.
And how would that help anything?
Really, I am curious
Or is so you can start "TEH GAME IS DIEIEIEEING (sic)!1!!1" threads over and over?
It would give you a factual indication of the state of the game.
And? Still waiting for a reason you need to know how the game is doing financially (aside for eventual trolling)
Please, enlighten us