E3 - 2019

Frontier handle game development and community engagement the way they do because US, WE the community have literally bitten the hand that feeds us.

Frontier tried to engage with the community over Elite Dangerous and found all that we did was overload them everything but the response they wanted. I am just as guilty in this as all of you. We don't sit here and act like excited children on Christmas Day morning, no, we act like spoiled entitled brats. All we do is complain about something, and if we can't find something to complain about, we make something up. The moment Frontier do realise info, all we do is throw it back in their faces shouting "THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH!" So really, how do you expect Frontier to react?

They have found that the Planet Coaster, and Jurassic World communities are not as toxic as the Elite community is, so if you are wondering why Frontier don't tell us anything, it's our fault, not theirs. Sadly I can't see the Elite community ever changing for the better.
Yes, this is called worrying for the future, probably, the jwe or pc communities simply do not care why they are silent?
 
Yes, this is called worrying for the future, probably, the jwe or pc communities simply do not care why they are silent?
They're silent because (a) they're focused on Planet Zoo currently and (b) they have nothing concrete to tell us yet. And when they do reveal details they'll do it on their terms, not ours.

Why is this so hard for you to understand? You're asking for details about a software release that's at least 12 months away, and my be 18 months. Have some patience.

Or not, it's your blood pressure.
 
Hate to break it to you but (a) sticking to my opinions is not "being evasive", and (b) they don't care about whether or not you approve of their marketing release schedule.
so you did not hurt me :) I asked the question, "will that moment come when you (personally you) stop repeating," will tell you how you will be ready "? and when can this moment come? given the condition, of course, that they can learn so that the FD will not be ready to talk about the “new era” neither in 2019, nor in 2020, nor in 2022.
 
so you did not hurt me :) I asked the question, "will that moment come when you (personally you) stop repeating," will tell you how you will be ready "? and when can this moment come? given the condition, of course, that they can learn so that the FD will not be ready to talk about the “new era” neither in 2019, nor in 2020, nor in 2022.
So according to you, because they're not willing to talk about it now, that somehow means it's going to be delayed for at least two years? That's some interesting 'logic' there.
 
They're silent because (a) they're focused on Planet Zoo currently and (b) they have nothing concrete to tell us yet. And when they do reveal details they'll do it on their terms, not ours.

Why is this so hard for you to understand? You're asking for details about a software release that's at least 12 months away, and my be 18 months. Have some patience.

Or not, it's your blood pressure.
Well, in fact, it means that they do not care about the wishes of the community. it's just not difficult to understand. although, as I said, and even threw the link, they said "we are working" back in 2016, please read the link that I threw earlier.
 
Yes, this is called worrying for the future, probably, the jwe or pc communities simply do not care why they are silent?
My point was that Frontier treat the Planet Coaster, Jurassic World and now, Planet Zoo communities differently to the Elite community because of how we, the Elite community reacts, but they are also more engaging with those game's communities than the Elite community, again, all down to how the Elite community reacts.

If you were to go all the way back to how this started, yes Frontier were silent on game development back then as well. Michael Brooks once told me regarding The Outsider "We'll announce something when we have something to announce". I was absolutely stunned when the Elite Dangerous kickstarter happened and Frontier were engaging with us to an extent they had never done before, and I don't think they were ready for what would happen. That doesn't excuse them though, but them behaving the way they do now also doesn't excuse us either. Both Frontier and the Elite community are to blame.
 
So according to you, because they're not willing to talk about it now, that somehow means it's going to be delayed for at least two years? That's some interesting 'logic' there.
I’m not asking about them now, I want to know personally about you, if they don’t say anything either by 2021 or by 2022, will you continue to "tell you how they can" or not? Believe me, I do not ask you for a lengthy article as an answer, I am interested in the short word "yes" or "no"
 
Nonsense. It does mean that they're not going to submit to every demand for information, especially from bits of the community that have a vastly elevated level of self-importance.
Well ... yes, this is a matter of perspective. Someone considers himself important enough to know the truth, someone is the opposite, he considers himself too insignificant for receiving attention at all. perspective :)
 
I’m not asking about them now, I want to know personally about you, if they don’t say anything either by 2021 or by 2022, will you continue to "tell you how they can" or not? Believe me, I do not ask you for a lengthy article as an answer, I am interested in the short word "yes" or "no"
The current release area is second half of 2020. Hence, any time up to December 31st 2020.

If they haven't said anything by end of March 2020 then I will suspect that something's up. Which doesn't mean I'd be right, just that I'd start to get a bad feeling.
 
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Well ... yes, this is a matter of perspective. Someone considers himself important enough to know the truth, someone is the opposite, he considers himself too insignificant for receiving attention at all. perspective :)
You get to demand information from them when you are a major shareholder or on the board of directors.

If you bought the game from Steam or off the shelf at Tesco then, I hate to tell you this, they don't owe you anything. They certainly don't need to treat you like Charlie Bucket with a Golden Ticket.
 
Well, I am glad that this topic has received at least some response, as well, I thank you all for your answers.
keep writing please
As for me, I apologize to fd for everything I ever wrote, I thought that the problem was in you, I was wrong, but after reading and analyzing the answers, I came to the conclusion that the problem lies in the community itself and not in you, I have it seems that some of them want to get information on the new era, but it’s as if afraid to talk about it directly, the rest, as if they don’t want to know anything about the “new era”.
It's interesting that you started off blaming FD, but now have progressed on to blaming the community.

I wonder when you'll turn your sharply analytical mind to focus on yourself? ;)
 
Not sure what all the fuss is about FD have consistently refused to speak of the future. The only difference is the future has been leaked and we know they have 'planned' to release legs, house building and some automated SRV's which would suggest your crew will be able to take a SRV for a spin.

That said, it will not change the way FD communicate. I've been here a long time and not once has FD communicated with the community until the last cut of beta code is finished.
 
The current release area is second half of 2020. Hence, any time up to December 31st 2020.

If they haven't said anything by end of March 2020 then I will suspect that something's up. Which doesn't mean I'd be right, just that I'd start to get a bad feeling.
Well, see, it was not at all difficult, I will say the same. if the fd make an announcement before the end of this year, I will create a post in which I acknowledge that I was wrong and apologize.
why? because you need to be able to admit your mistakes :)
 
My point was that Frontier treat the Planet Coaster, Jurassic World and now, Planet Zoo communities differently to the Elite community because of how we, the Elite community reacts, but they are also more engaging with those game's communities than the Elite community, again, all down to how the Elite community reacts.

If you were to go all the way back to how this started, yes Frontier were silent on game development back then as well. Michael Brooks once told me regarding The Outsider "We'll announce something when we have something to announce". I was absolutely stunned when the Elite Dangerous kickstarter happened and Frontier were engaging with us to an extent they had never done before, and I don't think they were ready for what would happen. That doesn't excuse them though, but them behaving the way they do now also doesn't excuse us either. Both Frontier and the Elite community are to blame.
I was not here when that happened but if community reacted badly to some content or feedback probably it was because they were heading to the wrong direction? They should have listened to the community rather then shutting the door and proceeding anyway. I know many people in this community is disappointed because Horizons took too much time to deliver its contents and these contents were not so interesting to many. On the other side a lot of people was hyped for legs, atmospheric planets and deeper gameloops which have been not considered at all in the last 3 years (more than half of the game life). To me it's obvious the FDEV with Horizons did not listen to the community and proceeded on their train. That's not a positive attitude, considering that Horizons was only the first season... The first example was not so brilliant, that's why some people don't trust them or is just pessimistic towards whatever they say or do.
 
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I was not here when that happened but if community reacted badly to some content or feedback probably it was because they were heading to the wrong direction? They should have listened to the community rather then shutting the door and proceeding anyway.
Very occasionally this is the right thing to do. Mostly it isn't - which part of the community do you listen to? Who's to say what is or isn't a 'wrong direction'?
 
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