ED and the Oculus Rift Developers Kit 2 (DK2) Discussion Thread

[jabokai]

Well I can't express an opinion from anyone else point of view now can I?
What I will say is time will tell, you say yay, I say nay, so it looks like some people will manage with it..non smokers, people who don't need to drink tea or anything else, you see we first have to actually decide what "play time" is, I would suggest that if the headset is removed once for any reason then the time is reset, my guess is our friend here played 3 hrs but probably did take the headset off at some point for some reason even if that was to scratch an itchy eyelid... which yes that does happen too.

No, but you were expressing it as if it would/should apply to everyone else... that was your mistake!

Personally I think VR hardware and software should be designed with breaks in mind - e.g. I would like to take off the Rift when I get to trading/mission screens in ED and for the game to automatically snap out of Rift mode on my main monitor and present the screen in normal 2D mode. In an ideal world anyway. So I sort of agree with you that breaks should be considered for those people that need them, but not all do, or will of course.

 

[Dr Zachary Smith]

I often wondered what the Sony hmz t2 headset would be like with head tracking. I thought the problem with this would be the narrow field of view and maybe latency. Have you had a chance to try an Oculus Rift?

Go karts can be more fun than McLaren f1s.

Tried a DK1, very fuzzy, I believe the DK2 is a lot better but it's still basically a screen from galaxy note 3 lashed in there with some lenses u could make one yourself hehehe


don't notice a narrow field of view in the HMZ think of it like sitting right in the middle of the IMAX and playing your game from there so yeh it's not total surround vision which is good coz i like to watch films on it too, latency is fine i see no screen tearing and experience zero nausea

 

[SlackR]

I bought into the control VR kickstarter, simply in the hope I could use it in my cobra!


https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/controlvr/control-vr-motion-capture-for-vr-animation-and-mor

 

[Dirtmuncher]

LOL and inferior headset they are £999 use twin oleds and give native 3d, trust me it is better in every way than the current DK2, I use track ir and it's all good
Actually I would say your post was correct just the wrong way round the DK2 is the ford. Oh and when I mentioned misting up I wasn't talking about the HMZ I was referring to the occulus
https://developer.oculusvr.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=4811

Most likely the twin oleds don't run at 75hz for low latency. Also the fov is far better.
And the resolution isn't that far off 1280x720 against 960 x 1080 per eye. Cv1 will be even cheaper and up the overall res to 1440p.
Ow and don't forget the integrated head tracking.

More expensive doesn't mean better.

 

[Juniper]

Yes, this is the future! Now where is my jetpack?

You left it by your hoverboard.

 

[Dr Zachary Smith]

Most likely the twin oleds don't run at 75hz for low latency. Also the fov is far better.
And the resolution isn't that far off 1280x720 against 960 x 1080 per eye. Cv1 will be even cheaper and up the overall res to 1440p.
Ow and don't forget the integrated head tracking.

More expensive doesn't mean better.

but in this case it does.
let's face it VR is a bit of a pain in the behind you fanboys say what you like if I had a DK2 here now I wouldn't be using it same as I can't be bothered using the HMZ for it, it's just a big fat hassle. VR= Hassle= Fail.

Taking em off to scratch yer eyelid is a hassle, taking it off when normal life intervenes is a hassle like yer phone rings, getting it back on is a hassle, having it clutter your desk is a hassle, VR will be cool when it's tiny and wireless and adds the option to interact with the real world without removing a shedload of gear from your face and head.

 

[SlackR]

but in this case it does.
let's face it VR is a bit of a pain in the behind you fanboys say what you like if I had a DK2 here now I wouldn't be using it same as I can't be bothered using the HMZ for it, it's just a big fat hassle. VR= Hassle= Fail.

Taking em off to scratch yer eyelid is a hassle, taking it off when normal life intervenes is a hassle like yer phone rings, getting it back on is a hassle, having it clutter your desk is a hassle, VR will be cool when it's tiny and wireless and adds the option to interact with the real world without removing a shedload of gear from your face and head.

Bordering on trolling now sir... Please don't hijack OP's post... You have given your opinion and we have given ours. You haven't actually even tried the DK2 so perhaps it would be better to comment on something else

 

[jabokai]

but in this case it does.
let's face it VR is a bit of a pain in the behind you fanboys say what you like if I had a DK2 here now I wouldn't be using it same as I can't be bothered using the HMZ for it, it's just a big fat hassle. VR= Hassle= Fail.

Taking em off to scratch yer eyelid is a hassle, taking it off when normal life intervenes is a hassle like yer phone rings, getting it back on is a hassle, having it clutter your desk is a hassle, VR will be cool when it's tiny and wireless and adds the option to interact with the real world without removing a shedload of gear from your face and head.

As I understand it you're simply looking at a big screen (with a very narrow FOV) with the HMZ - not a VR experience at all... kind of explains why Sony are creating a new piece of hardware, rather than selling that old thing as their gaming headset solution!

 

[Dirtmuncher]

but in this case it does.
let's face it VR is a bit of a pain in the behind you fanboys say what you like if I had a DK2 here now I wouldn't be using it same as I can't be bothered using the HMZ for it, it's just a big fat hassle. VR= Hassle= Fail.

Taking em off to scratch yer eyelid is a hassle, taking it off when normal life intervenes is a hassle like yer phone rings, getting it back on is a hassle, having it clutter your desk is a hassle, VR will be cool when it's tiny and wireless and adds the option to interact with the real world without removing a shedload of gear from your face and head.

My oculus doesn't scratch my eyelids. I can adjust the clearance between the lenses and my eyes or glasses. I can see the shortcomings of the dk2 but I do see the potential. Don't call me a fanboy because I disagree with your opinion. What seriously irks me is that you have an outspoken opinion about a piece of kit you havent even tried.
For me its just one piece of gear to take off. Its as easy as taking of a ski goggle and its just 1 wire.

 

[Sessine]

Price is no guarantee for quality or atleast useability but that aside. The Sony is heavy, and is known for the issue you are describing though I would love to have one but for watching movies . The Oculus, even in develepment stage, is a much lighter thing. Sony is developing their own 'Oculus' for a reason, the HMZ T2 is not good for gaming.
I agree that for longer periods this will be an issue even with the Oculus, I myself am using itracker. I am wearing headphones, after a while it just gets uncomfortable. But I cannot play ED without itrack anymore. The game feels totally restricted if I play without. i can imagine someone using the Oculus will have the same feeling.

 

[Philip Coutts]

For what it's worth I would wait for the full release of the OR when you will be able read all the text etc. But that's my opinion based on the fact they are expensive pieces of kit and if I was going to buy one I want it to be perfect (well as near to perfect as you can get!).

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Hi all,

I have just built a new PC so that I can play E.D. Currently my only source of display is a 50 inch 720p plasma TV that's about 2 years old. I have no pc desk and cant put a monitor anywhere as I am staying with my in-laws. It might be as long as a year before I move to a place where I can get a good display. I am worried about reading text on the 720p plasma and I have always wanted to get into Virtual Reality. Do you guys think I should get a DK2 or do you think I will be ok with the 50 inch 720p? Thanks for input and opinions.

Hi

short answer, DK2 is not for everyone and if you want a flawless experience then wait for CV1.

Long answer.................

Elite is currently imo the shining example of the wonder that is VR. It is simply stunning and I have no intention of playing elite out of VR ever again (aside from possibly doing a bit of navigation mapping my route in advance which I currently find easier on a screen).

I have no regrets getting my rift, but be ware it is still a dev kit, its not perfect, the lenses need to be handled with kid gloves or may scratch, you get sweaty after a while (or I do at least) and the resolution is limiting - should be fixed somewhat in CV1 but we are not there yet).

reading text in game is doable in the rift - though stuff at distance you need to lean in a little and though some have managed it, personally I am not a fan of galactic map in VR.

All that being said, your 720p screen will easily have everything readable, indeed, a 720p 50inch TV screen is WAY more readable than the 1080P DK2.

You say you have a new PC.... but just be warned if you want to play ED on full bubble in VR it will need to be very high end.

on a screen - 1080p I max the lot, but currently in the rift I play on low detail. I am hoping when ED properly supports the 4.1 oculus software things will improve a little.

Sorry long post, and mostly already covered but bottom line, its a different experience in VR and the only time i may not play ED without it may be the period between me selling my DK2 and my CV1 order arriving.

VR is not without its flaws, and done badly, or done on an under specced PC it will put you off VR for life - just last night I ignored the warning signs for VR sickness and played on with halflife 2, which left me feeling ill for 20 mins ***

***elite on the other hand I have done in 3hr stints with no side effects.

but elite is not done badly, it is done really well.

my closing remark.... No one who has not tried the DK2 should be trying to sell their view as an informed opinion to be honest. Yes its not for everyone, and you may try it and not get on with it......... but until you try it you simply are not in a position to comment imo.

it would be like a 10 year old child telling an adult why they have no interest in the opposite sex and claiming to be objective!.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

think of it like sitting right in the middle of the IMAX and playing your game from there so yeh it's not total surround vision

So a completely different experience to full 3D VR then and not comparable at all?

 

[Dark Lord Insidious]

3D and VR are 2 different beasts and shouldn't be mixed up, try the DK2 then comment on it, its changed my opinion of VR forever... I don't own one but have had many hours playing in one and its simply stunning. I will be getting one be it the DK 2 or most likely the consumer version when I have the cash make no mistake.

 

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[Dr Zachary Smith]

My oculus doesn't scratch my eyelids. I can adjust the clearance between the lenses and my eyes or glasses. I can see the shortcomings of the dk2 but I do see the potential. Don't call me a fanboy because I disagree with your opinion. What seriously irks me is that you have an outspoken opinion about a piece of kit you havent even tried.
For me its just one piece of gear to take off. Its as easy as taking of a ski goggle and its just 1 wire.

It's not just one wire though coz u need headphones on too.

 

[Dr Zachary Smith]

So a completely different experience to full 3D VR then and not comparable at all?

I'm not literally just ripping the oculus, my hmz is not practical too, it's the whole "VR" thing of wearing something on your head which excludes the rest of the world it just doesn't really work 100% and i don't think the answer is in design solutions, it probably will never catch on coz it's just easier to play a game on your monitor simple as that really.

 

[Ammo7]

Not Now Not Ever

 

[jabokai]

It's not just one wire though coz u need headphones on too.

Really? Damn, I didn't realise I was doing it wrong - I'm using mine with actual speakers and didn't know that I needed headphones. You should PM the devs of ED to let them know, seeing as they give two options in the game (Oculus/headphones and Oculus/Speakers).

 

[Dr Zachary Smith]

omg

Really? Damn, I didn't realise I was doing it wrong - I'm using mine with actual speakers and didn't know that I needed headphones. You should PM the devs of ED to let them know, seeing as they give two options in the game (Oculus/headphones and Oculus/Speakers).

really your using vr with speakers...nice

personally I like to use my Roccat does the oculus have 4 or 5 outputs for surround ?