ED and the Oculus Rift Developers Kit 2 (DK2) Discussion Thread

jabokai

jabokai
Zalamander said:
Nah, that wont work, or be really crappy image quality if it did. you already warped the image and lost many pixels of the view when going to oculus mode, you can't possibly convert that back to have the normal view. The best way is simply to have simultanious output of a normal screen mode as well. I imagine it would be no big deal if you have a separate graphics card for that, but it probably woulden't be too heavy for the hardware to do it on one as well if the engine supports that feature.(grab the image before it changes to oculus mode)
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Somebody already did this with DK1 videos and the result was (IMHO) good enough for a stream. Then again, I don't watch streams so maybe you guys demand 1080p at all times!? ;)

I believe the Crystal Cove demo had a box that did the de-oculus trick for the standard monitors they had at shows? I may be mis-remembering that though. If I remember it properly - if it's good enough for Oculus... ;)

What you say makes sense though, but it seems a fairly niche feature that only those who make money off streams will be particularly bothered about.
 

Zalamander

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I think it will be pretty standard actually since you might want the normal view on your monitor while using the oculus regardless of streaming or not, I know I would like that at least.
 

jabokai

jabokai
Zalamander said:
I think it will be pretty standard actually since you might want the normal view on your monitor while using the oculus regardless of streaming or not, I know I would like that at least.
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Yes, but not at the expense of processing power for most people. Personally I want/expect the consumer version to handle this much better than now - I'd want to have a simple toggle between OR mode and "flat" mode so I could take the Rift off for portions of games where I don't want 3D (e.g. all the parts of Elite that aren't flying) to give my eyes a break. I wouldn't want it to waste my PC oomph on something I'm not seeing, or something for other people that decreases the Rift experience.
 

Haddock

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you get good sense of the size?

Using and Oculus Rift in the demo Space Giants you get a really cool sense of howe big everything is in space.

Is it the same feeling when using the oculus rift in Elite: Dangerous?
The same ammount of immersion?
 

KING5TON

KING5TON
Haddock said:
Using and Oculus Rift in the demo Space Giants you get a really cool sense of howe big everything is in space.

Is it the same feeling when using the oculus rift in Elite: Dangerous?
The same ammount of immersion?
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You mean Titans of space?
Titans of space's planets and suns were not to scale, they are shrunk. E: D has to scale stuff I believe. Tried Titans in the rift but not tried E: D. I assume it'll be much better.
 

Haddock

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Specs ok for with the rift?

Hey

As I understand, when going to use the DK 2 its going to demand some extra from the computer, (slower will have problem supporting the game and rift, yes?)

My first question is maybe not suitible in this thread, but its connected to my second so bare with me.
Im not good with system specs

First, will I be able to play Elite (not using Oculus) with my computer:
System Model: MS-7759
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.4GHz
Memory: 16384MB RAM
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670
Display Memory: 4038 MB
Dedicated Memory: 1990 MB
Shared Memory: 2048 MB

If the answer is yes, what settings would I be able to play on? Medium, High, Ultra?

And a follow up question to this. When I start using the Oculus DK 2, what can I expect for settings for it to run smooth? I mean if I was able to play on high, do I need to go down and play maybe on medium or low?

I hope its okay to ask all this in here?

Thank so much in advance for the answers! :)
 

[VR] Mad Mike

[VR] Mad Mike
Haddock said:
Hey

As I understand, when going to use the DK 2 its going to demand some extra from the computer, (slower will have problem supporting the game and rift, yes?)

My first question is maybe not suitible in this thread, but its connected to my second so bare with me.
Im not good with system specs

First, will I be able to play Elite (not using Oculus) with my computer:
System Model: MS-7759
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.4GHz
Memory: 16384MB RAM
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670
Display Memory: 4038 MB
Dedicated Memory: 1990 MB
Shared Memory: 2048 MB

If the answer is yes, what settings would I be able to play on? Medium, High, Ultra?

And a follow up question to this. When I start using the Oculus DK 2, what can I expect for settings for it to run smooth? I mean if I was able to play on high, do I need to go down and play maybe on medium or low?

I hope its okay to ask all this in here?

Thank so much in advance for the answers! :)
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nice processor, stacks of ram, same GPU as me.

My gut feeling is if you want to run it at 75fps unless the game performance improves, you will be looking at lowering a lot of settings (maybe medium but I am guessing).

that being said, your pc is a superb platform. all it needs is a new GPU in there and it will fly.

All I can say is what I plan to do, with the same graphics card as you, is to limp along with my GTX670 until the next gen nvidia cards are out and get either a GTX 870 or GTX880 early next year.

PS if you have a good cooler on your CPU, you should be able to run it at 4.2-4.4ghz no sweat when the cpu starts to hold you back (which it may do in the future).
 

Haddock

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Mad Mike said:
nice processor, stacks of ram, same GPU as me.

My gut feeling is if you want to run it at 75fps unless the game performance improves, you will be looking at lowering a lot of settings (maybe medium but I am guessing).

that being said, your pc is a superb platform. all it needs is a new GPU in there and it will fly.

All I can say is what I plan to do, with the same graphics card as you, is to limp along with my GTX670 until the next gen nvidia cards are out and get either a GTX 870 or GTX880 early next year.

PS if you have a good cooler on your CPU, you should be able to run it at 4.2-4.4ghz no sweat when the cpu starts to hold you back (which it may do in the future).
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Okey Nice to hear!
So the GPU is the Graphic card I suppose? And it will work for now, but I will need to run on Medium settings (even without the rift?) as I understand it?

Do you have a oculus DK1? IS it working well with your specs?
 

KING5TON

KING5TON
Be aware of a few things regards the rift and specifically the DK2.
Firstly when using the rift the game is running side by side 3D with some distortion effects. These have a overhead of roughly 40%. So if you get 60fps now on a 1080p monitor you'll only get 36fps in the rift.
FPS matters a lot more in VR than it does on a normal monitor. A minimum 60fps (the lowest your FPS goes to) really is the minimum requirement. Ideally though you want to be running the game at a constant 75fps (higher is OK, lower is not) to get the optimum experience of low persistence and smooth gameplay. These are important as they help to reduce simulator sickness (nausea, feeling odd).
Running the game at a high enough FPS in SBE 3D with the distortion at 1080p will be demanding and possibly only in the realm of enthusiast level graphics cards. If you've got a 770 or above or a 7970/280x or above you should be OK. If you've got less then you'll still be able to use it just not at it's best.
The game you are playing makes a difference to FPS, simple games run at higher FPS generally and more complex games like E: D run at lower FPS.

p.s. If you can hold out on buying a new GPU I would. There's new AMD cards due soon as well as the new Nvidia cards later in the year. AMD have indicated that their future GPUs may have VR related features (unknown if the new cards due soon feature any).
 
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Crudzilla

Crudzilla
KING5TON said:
Be aware of a few things regards the rift and specifically the DK2.
Firstly when using the rift the game is running side by side 3D with some distortion effects. These have a overhead of roughly 40%. So if you get 60fps now on a 1080p monitor you'll only get 36fps in the rift.
FPS matters a lot more in VR than it does on a normal monitor. A minimum 60fps (the lowest your FPS goes to) really is the minimum requirement. Ideally though you want to be running the game at a constant 75fps (higher is OK, lower is not) to get the optimum experience of low persistence and smooth gameplay. These are important as they help to reduce simulator sickness (nausea, feeling odd).
Running the game at a high enough FPS in SBE 3D with the distortion at 1080p will be demanding and possibly only in the realm of enthusiast level graphics cards. If you've got a 770 or above or a 7970/280x or above you should be OK. If you've got less then you'll still be able to use it just not at it's best.
The game you are playing makes a difference to FPS, simple games run at higher FPS generally and more complex games like E: D run at lower FPS.

p.s. If you can hold out on buying a new GPU I would. There's new AMD cards due soon as well as the new Nvidia cards later in the year. AMD have indicated that their future GPUs may have VR related features (unknown if the new cards due soon feature any).
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I would also expect to see further optimizations as the game approaches release. It is not currently pushing anything too special graphically (looks great due to good art, bar some rough textures) and doesn't perform too well. This is not a problem, wise devs optimize last.

It will run better than it does now upon release, will probably be optimized for rift somewhat too, given the enthusiasm Elite's core audience seem to be showing for VR.

That said, I will be swapping out my 580sli for the 880 (or whatever Nvidia's next flagship single GPU card is). I want to have the best experience and when it comes to this (VR) I'm willing to spend more money than I really should :)
 

[VR] Mad Mike

[VR] Mad Mike
Haddock said:
Okey Nice to hear!
So the GPU is the Graphic card I suppose? And it will work for now, but I will need to run on Medium settings (even without the rift?) as I understand it?

Do you have a oculus DK1? IS it working well with your specs?
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without the rift it is fine on close to full bubble 1080P as that is what i am running at, but fps do sometimes tank to the 30's, which is not generally a problem on a monitor/TV but will apparently be horrible in VR.

I am only guessing on the medium details :) No I do not have a DK1, indeed, I only tried one for 5 mins or so, enough to see the potential, but enough to confirm my thoughts that it was not good enough for me to get one.
 

Ipecac

Ipecac
I play on DK1 exclusively since the first moment I plugged it into Elite.

It's low resolution is pretty irritating, but it is overcome by the functionality and immersiveness of VR.

I have a 780 GTX, 16GB RAM and a hex core at 3.0GHz.

DK2 ordered on Mar 19th 130pm PST..
 

Teemo

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How CPU dependent is this game? I finally bought the Premium Beta, but have only done the first three scenarios.

I have an i7 2600k @ stock and a GTX 780 Ti Classy. I'm not worried about my GPU (obviously), but wondering if my CPU will hold back my graphics card especially with DK2 coming in and all.
 

Anthony Jones

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Teemo said:
How CPU dependent is this game? I finally bought the Premium Beta, but have only done the first three scenarios.

I have an i7 2600k @ stock and a GTX 780 Ti Classy. I'm not worried about my GPU (obviously), but wondering if my CPU will hold back my graphics card especially with DK2 coming in and all.
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Your worried!? I have an i5 750 2.67 running @ 3.8 and a gigabyte GTX 760 4gb. I think my DK2 when it arrives will kill my system
 
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