Modes ED "Beyond" Disappointing, anyone have similar feelings?

[babelfisch]

Doesnt change the fact there are still problems and im not the only one complaining about this stuff dude. There are massive amounts of people that see it.

Again dont think I dont appreciate what they are bringing to the table. But they hardly addressed the problems that we had before the expo. And they still exist after it with no mention of fixing them. Sorry man, the problems still exist. Even for you. You may not see it or understand it. But they do exist.

Everyone has problems with the game, there is lots of stuff that I would like to see changed. But they are continuously addressing these issues, even if it's always just a few of them, and it looks like Beyond will address more issues of the core game than anything before it. That's why I don't understand all the complaining. We told them to listen, they did, and now it's wrong again. I don't get it.

Your criticism is absolutely valid and you're perfectly right. The point is that you're talking to a bunch of people who like to "pull slider right, make x jumps, pull slider left", who like to watch netflix while waiting twiddling thumbs for the ship to reach its destination and they proudly call it content. People who love the loop of shame mechanic and call it challenging. And generally people who vehemently defends Frontier no matter what because they feel like Elite is such a niche and convoluted designed game that makes them feel unique and very smart.

"If you don't like it just leave, we don't need your negativity"
"If you don't like it shut up and go play something else"
"You spent 50€ and you played the game 300 hours (250 of them were of waiting in supercruise) that seems like a good deal to me"
"If you want to have weight in the story you should play call of duty"
"Everything is better with timers, they add to the immersion"
"Why did you use the first person plural as a figure of speech? You don't speak for me"

Here's the ed community in a nutshell.

See you in Q4

As always you didn't understand anything.

 

[babelfisch]

And nobody forces you to be an smart***? (Sorry but your attitude annoys me and has been for long time) (you defending the game like there is nothing wrong with it with the same comment and defending the ridiculous amount of grind needed just for the grinds sake does not make the gameplay good)

But all seriousness No nobody forces me to use the ship BUT IF i happen to like the ship and enjoy using it I definetely am not going to use some Subpar piece of equipment if better is available and i can Expect to be compensated of Using said equipment to do the job Better, faster, further compared to the subpar equipment.

Wow, so much entitlement. It's your attitude that's is annoying.

 

[Surprised Brony]

Just wondering if anyone else heard that bit about "personal narrative" and rewards for it?

Sounds like a personal bit of story you get to complete. Isn't that great?

 

[babelfisch]

Just wondering if anyone else heard that bit about "personal narrative" and rewards for it?

Sounds like a personal bit of story you get to complete. Isn't that great?

No it's not. We must complain. Always.

 

[Surprised Brony]

No it's not. We must complain. Always.

Wanted this reply. Rep for providing it.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Believe me OP, you are not the only one.

But you're wasting your breath airing your grievances here in this forum. These forums are notorious for it's biased fanboyism, your not going to be able to have an honest discussion here without the Fanboy oldguard crashing it. If you want an actual discussion about it try Reddit.

But ya, you're definitely not alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=b2yBY1JOj44

Unfair!. Often it is not what people say but how they say it. I am often critical of some features and positive about others and some agree some disagree that is fine.

That said some post here (as in on the forum's not necessarily this thread) seem to like nothing about the game. If someone likes nothing about the game it's sometimes better to ask is this game for me.

Others want to rip the heart out of the game by making changes which were never remotely part of the elite experience or part of the reboot and would ruin it for the rest of us

 

[Cmdr Lucca1985]

OP I agree your naval rank should equal your salary rather than this dumb supply information transfer nonsense to build up a salary that mathematically doesnt actually work out until your near the top rank and thats bloody hours of grind

 

[Ian Skippy]

Unfair!. Often it is not what people say but how they say it. I am often critical of some features and positive about others and some agree some disagree that is fine.

That said some post here (as in on the forum's not necessarily this thread) seem to like nothing about the game. If someone likes nothing about the game it's sometimes better to ask is this game for me.

Others want to rip the heart out of the game by making changes which were never remotely part of the elite experience or part of the reboot and would ruin it for the rest of us

If you like anything about the game you are a fanboi and uninterested in an honest discussion. This is an honest discussion:

"Lol this game blows."
"Yeah FD so garbagae"
"100% true!"
"Word man"

Shared grief is half the sorrow, and some really can't stand the notion of other people not feeling miserable. Ah well, c'est la vie.

 

[Enderby]

Just wondering if anyone else heard that bit about "personal narrative" and rewards for it?

Sounds like a personal bit of story you get to complete. Isn't that great?

Yes. I am looking forward to more info on this.

I hope it’s good!

 

[Deareim]

OP, you should do like me. Used to complain a lot about the game, that FD is certainly not playing their game, how they handle their game, things that doesn t make sense and the actual game content.
If they want to let the game as it is with full of bug and non sense content (one example is PP with 104% standing and I skip the rest as the list is long), it is their choice, you cannot do a thing.
Just give up.

OBS : Like someone before suggested before, just read DDF, amazing ideas.

Best QoL, in my opinion, would be to get ride of the instantiation mechanics. But it means starting almost from scratch. Worse decision they have ever taken.

 

[Patrick_68000]

"Beyond" seems to be a beneficial refocus for the game. Later we will have the planets with atmospheres. ED will become a cult game in 3-4 years

 

[Enderby]

"Beyond" seems to be a beneficial refocus for the game. Later we will have the planets with atmospheres. ED will become a cult game in 3-4 years

I hope so. I really do.

 

[NeilF]

Indeed it is very reassuring. Now I just have to scratch my head and wonder why in the blazes this "paid content" wasn't even alluded to at the expo. Seems like mentioning it might have defused a lot of the negative speculation before it even started.

Agreed...

Just a parallel line under the Beyond Roadmap, reading "Payable DLC date/content TBC"...

That would have made a difference to a lot of peoples interpretation of that diagram IMHO!

 

[babelfisch]

Agreed...

Just a parallel line under the Beyond Roadmap, reading "Payable DLC date/content TBC"...

That would have made a difference to a lot of peoples interpretation of that diagram IMHO!

People will interpret what they want, you can't help them.

 

[NeilF]

People will interpret what they want, you can't help them.

Huh? Mentioning a significant effort being dedicated to a whole new payable DLC, or not mentioning it, seems polar opposites way of keeping the player base informed IMHO.

And then deciding not to tell the community at a huge dedicated show seems odd, when it is then done immediately afterwards via a post lost in a thread on a forum?

Seems odd not to just do it on a dedicated roadmap diagram?

 

[babelfisch]

Huh? Mentioning a significant effort being dedicated to a whole new payable DLC, or not mentioning it, seems polar opposites way of keeping the player base informed IMHO.

And then deciding not to tell the community at a huge dedicated show seems odd, when it is then done immediately afterwards via a post lost in a thread on a forum?

Seems odd not to just do it on a dedicated roadmap diagram?

The community doesn't want to be informed, they want to complain.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

"Beyond" seems to be a beneficial refocus for the game. Later we will have the planets with atmospheres. ED will become a cult game in 3-4 years

First, make it game which more people can enjoy Then let's worry about cult later....

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Believe me OP, you are not the only one.

But you're wasting your breath airing your grievances here in this forum. These forums are notorious for it's biased fanboyism, your not going to be able to have an honest discussion here without the Fanboy oldguard crashing it. If you want an actual discussion about it try Reddit.

I genuinely do love this response. The forums are notorious for it's biased fanboyism. So why are there so many people with grievances posting on it? Why is the ratio positive/negative threads so slanted towards negative?

No Sir, what you cannot stomach is dealing with different opinions. And that fact is ironic since you bang on about honest discussion. If it isn't an echo chamber and you have to actually support what you say, your go to method is bailing out and crying: the fanboys are after me because they cannot stand my postings of truths.

 

[NeilF]

The community doesn't want to be informed, they want to complain.

Let me know when we can have a sensible chat...

 

[Jex =TE=]

IMO the problem with that is that it's too late to give FD feedback so they can change course.
Lets say that the exploration improvements is a new scanner you need to hold a button down to scan plus a few new USSs to drop into to find "Stuff".
Would you not be disappointed with that?
Would not prefer that FD told you that's all it will be now so you can tell FD "That's not good enough, please can you do better?"

I'm not saying exploration will definitely only be that but we've been round this several times now with things like powerplay, multicrew etc...
If you'd known Powerplay would be delivered how it was 6 months before it was released which would give FD time to change course on it would you not jump at the chance to tell FD, "No, that's rubbish, develop a better solution please?"

All FD are doing by holding their cards close to their chest is kicking disappointment down the road IMO, it serves no one but them.

Given their track record of developing poor game play mechanics that haven't been received well (CQC,PP,WIngs,RNGineers,MC,Ship Transfers,Etc) I think FDev would be well advised to speak sooner unless their plans for ED are coming to a close, then they wouldn't because it would hurt sales.

Not to say that a lot of the game play stuff they added wasn't wanted but all of it should have been better. Wings needs so much more work. RNGineers was just aeful but not necessarily a bad idea, just implemented in the wrong way like PowerPlay was.

CQC was a distaster - nobody wanted an addon to a space ship game where you fly in space and shoot other ships only to have a game with in a game where you fly ships and shoot other ships. We all know that was for the Xbox crowd though.

So not all bad ideas but all made barebones and grindy and/or boring.

"Beyond" needs to address all that now so see you in 2 years!