Ian Phillips
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Modes ED "Beyond" Disappointing, anyone have similar feelings?
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How about I explain it a different way.
People don't have faith in FD because of the way they have previously delivered updates (i.e. bare bones and/or badly designed). Look at things like Power play/Multicrew as examples.
The list of things FD have announced while good do not do enough to improve the game even if they are developed really really well and add rich game play (which going off past history won't be the case, they'll be bare bones).
ED has that many flaws that the provided information is insufficient. ED needs root and branch reworking of core game play not just tinkering around the edges.
So based on the information provided and the past history of FD regards ED it should be understandible that people are disappointed in Beyond even though they haven't played it yet.
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Do you always react like that when someone asks a legit question?
If you want to see it like that... I can't stop you. I like the game, I like the constant updates, there is much I would do different but in the end it's the only current space game that I like. Anyway, your questions ('And the fact remains; What exactly will they deliver? Will it work? Will it be joined up?') will be answered when we have more details, which is not yet.
Fixed that for you...
Before someone calls the mods: I added the bolded part, yes, it was me!
Facepalms seem to be becoming more and more necessary in this forum.
If I had just been using normal, every day irony you would have probably caught it. As it was, my irony module is modded to g5 with some god rolled secondaries so it went sailing over your head.
I'm all for feedback, and in fact I actively invite it. The topic has almost derailed a few times now, so please take a moment to consider your post and if it's not discussing the contents of the OP or offering a counterpoint to the feedback that's been raised there... perhaps don't post it? We don't need to know who can pee the furthest or whose view holds the most validity... it just takes away from productive discourse.
@major_boomba, thank you for editing the OP to give better clarification to your points. It makes the process of feedback gathering a lot easier when it's clearly listed and straight to the point. I appreciate that.
@major_boomba, thank you for editing the OP to give better clarification to your points. It makes the process of feedback gathering a lot easier when it's clearly listed and straight to the point. I appreciate that.
Ian Phillips
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Keep that up and Dale's going to send both of us to the naughty room. And trust me, you do not want to be stuck in the naughty room with me.
Yes, that would be silly. Everyone knows that I pee the furthest.
MAIN POST UPDATED.
So, this got quite a few clicks, replies and people off.
Also alot of people +1 me, (far more than the amount of zealous defenders in the following thread), so i am not alone stating that "Blaze your way" should be charged with "false advertisement" and renamed to "Grind your way".
I have removed and reorganized the content of this post, so it, hopefully, shows better what i mean and removed the "rant" away.
1. Combat
- single building block present
- CZ/RES/crime sweep is the same renamed instance
- no higher goal nor scenarios/defences/invasions/battlegrounds, just chaotic 1v1 ship grind.
- theres alot of existing mmos showing what can be done to change tech-demo into a campaign that keeps the player having fun
- combat gets boring as it looks exactly the same, single aircarft or wing farming endlessly for claims/coupons/cash
2. Trade
- clicking a slider and jumping between stations
- to ease the grind, people use third party tools to find the best trade route
3. Exploration
- some find it fun
- after scanning N plantets in X systems you have seen everything.
4. Engineers
- no alternative gamestyles, just +% upgrades
- easily recogniezed as the new base powerlevel
- no "options" in the end, more grind to unlock, grind to get mats, grind to get good rolls
- a supposed "fix" - change the lower limit to the current roll - not a fix for anything
5. Magic material storage
- why 1000?
- why teleporting between ships?
- just a lot of why's...
6. Powerplay
- dead.
7. Community goals
- more grind, just a single "scenario" (material transfer/bounties)
- each one revolving around people doing space-trucking
8. Guardians
- one mission that is done by 0.00001% of community on their own
- 1% (maybe) did it with printed out cheatsheets
9. Thargoids
- awesome idea
- game is lacking content
- thargoids have nothing to interfere with as players are either farming red ships in CZ or shoving cargo over.
10. Mining
- limpet design, insanely cumbersome "make 200 tonnes of limpets into 200 tonnes of cargo"
- prospector limpet role design, leads to even greater limpet cargo hold needed
- better than trading - a minigame
- with current rewards, has no impact on the game itself, like petbattles in wow (except pet battles in wow has more content than entire ED)
11. Flying - https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/384871-Blaspheming-against-the-flight-model
- any explanation for maximal speed limits on ships?
- acceleration should be used instead (of max speed) when a more agile ship has to outrun a bigger ship
- yaw/roll/pitch on some ships make no sense. theres no sane explanation for a space craft to have different speeds there
12. People are watching NETFLIX while playing your game and claim they are having fun.
13. Ship design
- why most ppl fly pythons / anacondas?
- there are some niche ships but largely ignored (or treated like stepping stone for python/anaconda/cutter/corvette)
- module sizes are broken. If we take x2 modifier based on cargo racks sizes then it quickly gets ridiculous when you try to estimate the efficiency of given module in regards to its size.
- how much aircraft space does a ADS needs? Size-1. Why big ships have modules sizes down to 3. Unable to split them, leading to a fun situation when a giant craft like cutter can choose between docking computer OR ads but not both, coz there is no space.
14. Ranking with empire/federation
- people complain about loosing sanity when they want to reach the big2 "fast"
- "slow" way means "never", at least for me. (missions are repetitive, restarting in a new system for a new rankup mission feels like a slap)
- no incentive to go thru this grind other than the ships... but even then, anaconda is still pretty good, so why bother.
15. Right now the best way to experience this game is to watch ObsidianAnt's videos.
My main pain with ED is that in a world of possibilities to choose from we got a game that is bare bones with questionable design choices.
Fixes might be coming, eg mining fix is scheduled to happen in q4 next year.
Initially i was making fun of Star citizen, but now im not sure whats better: release a full but incredibly dull grind game, or release modules that are playable, albeit very very short.
Thanks! Fly safe.
So your moving on to Star Citizen? I'm assuming you played ED and found it not to your taiste. Or you think it should have been, by your notes, made your way. I think many of us would like to see somethings changed or added. But I suspect a game such as ED can not change with the whim of every disheartened player.
All we can do, I suppose like you have done, is point out what we see or feel. Then our choice is simple. Play or don't play. Constructive criticism I hope is always welcome by the FDevs. The "I Hate This Game" maybe not so much.
I, as an example, thought that the ability for a player to swap goods or credits between two players to be a great idea. One we had years ago in Freelancer. But it was pointed out that unlike in my days in Freelancer years ago, that someone might exploit this for a niferourious reasons. So I do not expect it to happen. But I'm not quitting the game because of it.
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Ian Phillips
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A peeing contest in space is a bit pointless anyway ....
On to the OP
Depending on the size of X, possibly. But I am willing to wager that X in this case isn't a big number. happy to be proven wrong.
So Major B, how many systems have you visited? Where have you been in the galaxy?
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Ozric
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Checkmate
As for the OP, I'm still to encounter this "grind" people keep going on about. Maybe it's just because I play the game. Also I thought you said you removed the rant, but your entire post is a rant about what you think of the game and why you don't like it.
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Ian Phillips
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Well, he saw a chessboard. It's what's Rorschach is about innit?Yeah - that's the wrong thing to say to someone with Rorschach as their avatar
While it's clearly two black kids in white shorts playing patty cake.
To a certain extent you are correct, but you missed out surface installation assaults which are great fun. But I agree that Combat zones and Res site need reworking.
Can it get boring sure, but don't do it so much that it does.
Again, if all you do is trade, then yes it can get boring. I have never used third party tools, I enjoy looking out for opportunities when they come about. Also trade will be getting an update.
Yes exploration has become dire. I could live with the jump and honk before the beigeifation of everything, but right know, I don't bother. Thankfully, the planets are going to be much more interesting in Q1 of next year, and exploration mechanic are going to get a complete overhaul in a years time.
While you can grind to unlock them, you don't have to. I just did stuff I enjoyed which unlocked stuff anyway. Engineers are optional for me, so see no need to grind engineers out.
I don't mind materials being transfered between ships, surely you would want them on the ship you are using. As to storage, I would like Data to be much higher and saveable on ship destruction (there are copies on an HD in your escape pod), but the other physical materials are lost. But to supplement the physical materials, you can store them at a materials broker/bank in a station with a much larger storage capacity which you can take out at any station with a broker.
Agreed, needs a lot of work to make it worthwhile
I participate at times but not all the time. Of course, just like anything else in the game it can be a grind if that is all you do.
I enjoyed that mission, but I agree, it could be better with other faction scientists wanting certain information for their own research. I find it difficult to believe that only one scientist want to know about the guardians.
I have nothing against it at the moment. I have entered one of the USS and enjoyed it. I didn't attack it, but it had ago at me. Some are enjoying it a lot.
Agreed mining needs to get better. It is thankfully in a years time.10. Mining
- limpet design, insanely cumbersome "make 200 tonnes of limpets into 200 tonnes of cargo"
- prospector limpet role design, leads to even greater limpet cargo hold needed
- better than trading - a minigame
- with current rewards, has no impact on the game itself, like petbattles in wow (except pet battles in wow has more content than entire ED)
1. A newtion flight model is boring IMHO. There are network issues, that is the reason for a max speed. You will find that Star Citizen will have the same.
2. Why?
3. Acceleration can certainly be a factor, but the max speed isn't. Weight is also an issue.
I am not and have never watched netflix while playing. To be honest, I really can't fathom how they do it.
My main ship is a DBX. I have only just got a python after 3 years. It a nice looking ship, but not sure if it will become my main ship. I am sure I will use just like I use my Cobra mk3 and 4 and my Dolphin and the other ships I have available. But as to the most popular ship, I am pretty sure it is the AspX.
Then don't do it. I have ranked up without even trying. Nothing forces you to rank up or get those ships. The ranking system can certainly be improved upon though to make it more fun an interesting.
Nope, not for me. I prefer it live it in my Oculus Rift.
The is exactly why FDev are improving the core gameplay element of the game to make them a far better experience.
Fixes are coming, whether they are the fixes you want is another question.
Or release a game that gives you options on how you go about your game. Nothing is forced on you, you can make it as interesting and enjoyable as you want to. That is down to you, Fdev give you the tools, how you use them is up to you. It seems to me that some are trying the play the game like a traditional MMORPG, where you need to level up to get to the next exciting part of the story. In ED, there is no real progression apart from the one you choose it to be. There is no end game. There are no end game ships. People concentrate on the goal that they have given themselves instead of thinking about the journey. But that is up to you how you go about it. For me the journey is all important, so I do not grind for any of my goals, I let them come to me instead by doing stuff that I enjoy. And what is better is that there will be more stuff I enjoy when the updated mechanics turn up (hopefully).
But at the end of the day, neither me no anyone else can tell you how to play the game. You have to work it out yourself. I have found my way, which gives me a lot of fun everytime I play the game.
You too.
It can't be unseen.
Still not understanding why ED : Beyond is disappointing.
Much of the "issues" listed in the OP are regarding core gameplay elements, which is what FD are planning to address with the Beyond series of updates.
Personally, the 'Beyond' update is the most exciting announcement from FD in quite a while.
Just wish they'd leak a few more details on it...
Much of the "issues" listed in the OP are regarding core gameplay elements, which is what FD are planning to address with the Beyond series of updates.
Personally, the 'Beyond' update is the most exciting announcement from FD in quite a while.
Just wish they'd leak a few more details on it...