Modes ED "Beyond" Disappointing, anyone have similar feelings?

[Jex =TE=]

have you played elite 2?
in it there was no speed limit but ships engine differs only for acceleration, exactly as you wish.
AAAAnd it was not fun at all. Thanks god Braben learn the lesson and never use it again.
Try Elite 2 and see it by yourself.
The problem with people like you is that they think they are smart but in the end they actually don't know what they are talking about.

Oooooh that was nasty. So as you're so smart, care to let everyone here know why FE2 wasn't fun and ED is? I loved FE2 btw but then I was so stupid that I knew how to fly the ships unlike yourself.

have you played elite 2?
in it there was no speed limit but ships engine differs only for acceleration, exactly as you wish.
AAAAnd it was not fun at all. Thanks god Braben learn the lesson and never use it again.
Try Elite 2 and see it by yourself.
The problem with people like you is that they think they are smart but in the end they actually don't know what they are talking about.

Roasted

boom

Totally agree. In Frontier (E2) you used autopilot, maxed the time and insanely fast went anywhere.... to the station with complete landing, docking etc. happening in a 1sec. As much as I loved Frontier then, the flying model and the feel of flying was NOT the thing I loved.



Spot on, you basically uncovered the secret of today's ignorant-arrogant society. Sorry OP, I disagree with many of your points and I'm eagerly awaiting for Beyond, because I think that's the step in the right direction for the whole game to be even better, without moving the content before enhancing the core features first. And Elite games were all about the core features.

Did someone literally make a bunch of accounts with no rep points today or something and then all agreed with each other one after the other? All of which are wrong btw and know nothing about the game.

 

[Bran Tse Mallory]

How in the hell someone can be "disappointed" in something which havent even been released yet?? :S

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Dear OP,

Good to see a more structured list but I could also write a very similar list for any game on the market. Once you break down any software in the manner you have it just becomes a list of boring chores. Take GTA V for instance. The amount of time I've wasted in that just driving from one place to another... The amouont of bad guys I've shot all by just pressing the mouse button is insane yet I still play it. I still rob a car and drive for 5 minutes - Ops sorry, I hold W for 5 minutes.

BF1 is essentially the same game as GTA V - Hold W for long periods and then press the mouse button after moving the mouse to put a dot on some AI's head.
CoD See above
Need for Speed - Hold W and press a few other buttons

When you break any game down it is just a series of task you are required to repeat until you see 'YOU WIN' on the screen.


Then we get to the attitude regarding 'zealous defenders'. You've had your say now allow others to have theirs without resorting to petty branding - It's called having a fair debate which can lead to a good conversation. Start out by berating anyone who disagrees with you and you've lost the argument right away.

 

[Shocken-Orr]

Far too early to complain about Beyond... we can rehash old ground but not slag off content that hasn’t even been released yet.

 

[sollisb]

Now I don't disagree with some of the points being made, but calling ED vaporware just make your whole post look like a silly troll outburst, vaporware would be THAT OTHER SPACE GAME, to my knowledge ED is a released game still in development. We can argue if what we got is good or not, vaporware it's not.

The 'beyond' is vapourware. Obviously any one can tell the current edition of playable E.D. is not vapourware.

I guess I should be more precise.

Unrelated to this, but related..

E.D. a game in development, released to the public.
SC a game in development, not yet released to the public.

Also. E.D. is not a 'game' - nothing changes, you don't get levels, there is no start/middle/end game.
It is not a 'sim' - I cannot 'legally' build a cockpit for example around it. It is not realistic.
it is not a 'sandbox' - You are forced to do it their way.

It is however, an experience.

 

[Cupcake]

Far too early to complain about Beyond... we can rehash old ground but not slag off content that hasn’t even been released yet.

I think people are jaded because of FD's slapshod approach and track record. Remember the old addage "if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, its more than likeley a duck" Just the fact that they are going to spend a whole YEAR releasing very little content apart from fluff and QoL fixes should make players think twice. Only the blindest of fanbois will not be worried by this.

 

[GaryII]

For me its average - 5/10 probably because I do not play Alien content - do not care about Alien story at this point.
For me v2.4 is a "Mission patch" more missions = better BGS gameplay...

 

[babelfisch]

Yeah I thought that picture was it, that they literally had said "we're starting here then we're going to add in updates here and here and then a big update at the end" or something like that. With FDev of course, that's not an unrealistic scenario

Sad but true

The 'beyond' is vapourware. Obviously any one can tell the current edition of playable E.D. is not vapourware.

I guess I should be more precise.

Unrelated to this, but related..

E.D. a game in development, released to the public.
SC a game in development, not yet released to the public.

Also. E.D. is not a 'game' - nothing changes, you don't get levels, there is no start/middle/end game.
It is not a 'sim' - I cannot 'legally' build a cockpit for example around it. It is not realistic.
it is not a 'sandbox' - You are forced to do it their way.

It is however, an experience.

I like your description, objectively it's still wrong though

 

[Exiton]

If it's not just "disappointing", but "beyond disappointing" - then it's my feeling exactly.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Just the fact that they are going to spend a whole YEAR releasing very little content apart from fluff and QoL fixes should make players think twice. Only the blindest of fanbois will not be worried by this.

What do you mean?

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

You don't know what you're talking about. If FD will actually be able to pull up the anticipated changes to planetary surfaces, then calling that "flaff" is either totally ignorant, respectless or simply dense. My concerns are rather if what they are aiming for will be technically possible at all. The limitations implicated by consoles certainly don't help either.

i will be interested to see how close FD get to that concept art of the ice world. it is a million mile from anything which is in the game at the moment, those ice/rock formations were brilliant.
if FD can get thier procedural generation to kick out those kind of formations, i will probably just spend my time travelling to interesting planets!.

https://i.imgur.com/5fQ6gfT.png

 

[Stachel]

Still not understanding why ED : Beyond is disappointing.
Much of the "issues" listed in the OP are regarding core gameplay elements, which is what FD are planning to address with the Beyond series of updates.

I don't think there's disappointment from the fact Beyond has core gameplay improvements.

I do think there's big disappointment from the fact Beyond has nothing else. No big expansions. Nothing worth paying money for.

Me not having to pay is no problem. But FD not being able to come up with anything they can charge for in one whole year is a problem, since IMO things are unlikely to improve, meaning no more expansion income for the game meaning probably no more expansions for the game.

However I see Zac has sneaked out the info that additionally?? to Beyond there will be "Premium Content" (we all know what that euphemism means). If this is a lot more desirable than ED's past paid-for content then maybe that will earn some money. But we can bet if that that money goes back in the ED development, if will be into more "Premium Content", not expansions.

 

[Cupcake]

The planetary fixes come under the QoL fixes as they are "fixing" it, I thought that was simple enough for everyone to understand, apparently not. The fluff mentioned was reffering to the fact they WILL be releasing cosmetics during this period, unless you are now telling me they are willing to go without income from ED for a whole year? As to the fact that some are jaded about the whole thing, just look around you for a few minutes, there are plenty people out there who have issues with ED's direction and like it or not their opion is just as valid as yours.

 

[babelfisch]

I think people are jaded because of FD's slapshod approach and track record. Remember the old addage "if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, its more than likeley a duck" Just the fact that they are going to spend a whole YEAR releasing very little content apart from fluff and QoL fixes should make players think twice. Only the blindest of fanbois will not be worried by this.

It's not a fact though, because we already know that there will be additional paid content and more free stuff than they showed. It's actually the opposite of a fact and I don't even need to be a fanboy to tell you this.

 

[babelfisch]

As to the fact that some are jaded about the whole thing, just look around you for a few minutes, there are plenty people out there who have issues with ED's direction and like it or not their opion is just as valid as yours.

It's definitely valid, although it doesn't mean much. There are a few hundred thousand people actively playing the game.

 

[Cupcake]

There are a few hundred thousand people actively playing the game.

I find THAT hard to believe, maybe sales total but not regular players.

 

[babelfisch]

I find THAT hard to believe, maybe sales total but not regular players.

No, sales are 2.7 million IIRC, regular players are a few hundred thousand.

http://steamspy.com/app/359320
Look at the left, there are 90.000 players who logged in via steam in the past 2 weeks. They are the regular players. The game is also sold on the Frontier Store, Xbox and PS4. The active Elite Dangerous Community is actually quite big.

 

[Cupcake]

No, sales are 2.7 million IIRC, regular players are a few hundred thousand.

http://steamspy.com/app/359320
Look at the left, there are 90.000 players who logged in via steam in the past 2 weeks. They are the regular players. The game is also sold on the Frontier Store, Xbox and PS4. The active Elite Dangerous Community is actually quite big.

90.000 log-ins in a fortnight does not a game make my friend. There are many games out there with that figure DAILY and more. and it would be nice to know the number of REPEAT log ins for players. When you put the play figures against sales the story peaks for itself. ED has lost far more players than it is retaining on a regular basis.

 

[M00ka]

90.000 log-ins in a fortnight does not a game make my friend. There are many games out there with that figure DAILY and more. and it would be nice to know the number of REPEAT log ins for players. When you put the play figures against sales the story peaks for itself. ED has lost far more players than it is retaining on a regular basis.

Ah the salty Cupcake again - peddling doom and gloom for ED. Tell me, how many players has that other space game you enjoy so much get, I mean actual players PLAYING the complete game?

 

[babelfisch]

90.000 log-ins in a fortnight does not a game make my friend. There are many games out there with that figure DAILY and more. and it would be nice to know the number of REPEAT log ins for players. When you put the play figures against sales the story peaks for itself. ED has lost far more players than it is retaining on a regular basis.

That's true for every game that was sold 3 years ago. Do you have a point?

 

[Jex =TE=]

i will be interested to see how close FD get to that concept art of the ice world. it is a million mile from anything which is in the game at the moment, those ice/rock formations were brilliant.
if FD can get thier procedural generation to kick out those kind of formations, i will probably just spend my time travelling to interesting planets!.

https://i.imgur.com/5fQ6gfT.png

Well you saw the original concept right and then what we got? Those "concepts" will only ever be that. You're never going to see anything like that in ED.