ED not running any more on latest versions of Linux ?

Howard Pew

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Hello everyone, it was not too long ago, when I was showing on this Forum, how easy it was
to install and play Elite Dangerous (ED), all versions, on some of the latest versions of Linux, back then.
You had to, of course, firstly install Steam on Linux, then download your version of ED onto Steam, and
then of course, using Lutris with all defaults, install ED with Lutris and then at last, start to play ED.

Boy, have I got news for all of you following me, now ED does not want to run, after setting up everything,
as above. I have tried the latest versions of Debian, Fedora and openSUSE so far, with trying to get
ED to run, and have had no success at all, all I end up getting is an error screen.

Does anyone have any ideas where I can go from here ? ED I believe is worth that extra mile, in trying
to get it to play successfully, so I am open to any thoughts ?

Kind regards,
Howard Pew.
 

rizbert

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Not used Linux in a while but have seen ED running on steam deck(youtube). So not sure if you need some form of Proton layer, or indeed install steamos?
 

Mr T

Mr T
I really like Linux and I use it for a number of things, including a distro that runs Kodi on the TV. However, I use Windows 10 for ED and my other games as that's the platform they're supported on. IMHO, I don't see the point in wasting time to get everything to work on an unsupported platform. You may get some benefits but does it perform that much better than Windows?
 

Jack Winter

Jack Winter
I think your problem might be the wine version installed. I run it installed from the frontier installer on Archlinux with a special version of wine-staging called wine-tkg-staging-fsync-git 6.23.r0.g82e4617d-326. I had to try a couple of versions of wine before it worked properly. I use this specific version as it adds faster sync primitives that helps games, this feature also needs a 5.16 or later kernel for the right support. One also needs to install dxvk using winetricks.

I could have sworn that it was working in steam with proton 6.3-8 but tried to start it, and it doesn't appear to even start the launcher?
 

Jack Winter

Jack Winter
No, I normally don't bother with steam at all, and I have no problem with my install using the above version of wine. IIRC when I got it working in steam a couple of months ago, I had to try a couple of different proton versions, but strangely enough it seems broken right now. I only tried in order to offer more help to the OP.

It could be that it got messed up when I was playing with my new index headset. Still my computer is too much of a potato for VR, so am planning to make some upgrades. I'll probably install windows and dual boot to play most of the time, as I'd like to get Voice Attack and a few other things working which seem broken on wine/linux.
 

GraphiteGB

GraphiteGB
Sub topic
What kernel Version do the new installs come with many sneaked in Kernel upgrades to their ISO files, broke my laptop...
Wayland and not Xorg/X11 has also been forced as the New Display driver thingy... Allready got one app that says Smeg off if im a wayland user we dont want you...
 
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Genar-Hofoen

Genar-Hofoen
Howard Pew said:
Hello everyone, it was not too long ago, when I was showing on this Forum, how easy it was
to install and play Elite Dangerous (ED), all versions, on some of the latest versions of Linux, back then.
You had to, of course, firstly install Steam on Linux, then download your version of ED onto Steam, and
then of course, using Lutris with all defaults, install ED with Lutris and then at last, start to play ED.

Boy, have I got news for all of you following me, now ED does not want to run, after setting up everything,
as above. I have tried the latest versions of Debian, Fedora and openSUSE so far, with trying to get
ED to run, and have had no success at all, all I end up getting is an error screen.

Does anyone have any ideas where I can go from here ? ED I believe is worth that extra mile, in trying
to get it to play successfully, so I am open to any thoughts ?

Kind regards,
Howard Pew.
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There is a long-standing thread on running ED on Linux here : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...experimental-not-officially-supported.366894/

If you ask in there you're more likely to get a helpful answer.

Providing more information than "an error screen" would be more conducive to getting helpful answers, too :)

Rgds. o7
 

Cmdr Eratosthenes

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Just tested on Steam/Proton 5.0.10 & recently upgraded Ubuntu 22.04/5.15.0.27 kernel/X11 (haven't tested on Wayland; gaming performance on Wayland/Nvidia is still balls) - existing game install runs fine as per normal.

Edit to add:: Nvidia driver 510.60.02
 
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Old Duck

Old Duck
Jack Winter said:
I think your problem might be the wine version installed. I run it installed from the frontier installer on Archlinux with a special version of wine-staging called wine-tkg-staging-fsync-git 6.23.r0.g82e4617d-326. I had to try a couple of versions of wine before it worked properly. I use this specific version as it adds faster sync primitives that helps games, this feature also needs a 5.16 or later kernel for the right support. One also needs to install dxvk using winetricks.

I could have sworn that it was working in steam with proton 6.3-8 but tried to start it, and it doesn't appear to even start the launcher?
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Here's a really dumb question, but I must ask - does Proton require Wine, or does Proton replace Wine? I've been trying to install Elite on my old laptop ever since I switched it from Windows to Linux (it is so, so, so much faster with Linux), but I hit a wall and gave up.
 

Cmdr Eratosthenes

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Old Duck said:
Here's a really dumb question, but I must ask - does Proton require Wine, or does Proton replace Wine? I've been trying to install Elite on my old laptop ever since I switched it from Windows to Linux (it is so, so, so much faster with Linux), but I hit a wall and gave up.
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There are no dumb questions ;-) Yeah, Proton replaces Wine/does the same thing but without all the fiddly bullpoo (mostly) you sometimes have to go through with Wine. Proton is more or less a Windows compatibility layer.
 

Old Duck

Old Duck
Cmdr Eratosthenes said:
There are no dumb questions ;-) Yeah, Proton replaces Wine/does the same thing but without all the fiddly you sometimes have to go through with Wine(mostly). Proton is more or less a Windows compatibility layer.
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Do they clash if both are installed? If I only install Proton, what would I type in the command line (instead of "wine fs2004.exe" for example) to run a non-Steam program?
 

Cmdr Eratosthenes

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Old Duck said:
Do they clash if both are installed? If I only install Proton, what would I type in the command line (instead of "wine fs2004.exe" for example) to run a non-Steam program?
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You can run non-Steam games with Proton apparently - the exact mechanics of this I'm not sure of as I've never done it, though. All my games are on Steam.
 

Old Duck

Old Duck
Cmdr Eratosthenes said:
You can run non-Steam games with Proton apparently - the exact mechanics of this I'm not sure of as I've never done it, though. All my games are on Steam.
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Someday I'll try it again. Right now I'm not playing Elite, so it's not a pressing issue. I used the old laptop for my "copilot", which is really great for immersion when playing in VR.

Copilot Jenny.jpg

For day-to-day stuff, that old laptop runs so much better with Linux than it did with Windows that I'm not going back, even if that means I have to fly solo in the future. My main gaming laptop, on the other hand, runs Windows just fine, so gaming on Linux is more of a hobby than a necessity for me ATM. I'm still interested in this thread, however!
 

Cmdr Eratosthenes

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Old Duck said:
Someday I'll try it again. Right now I'm not playing Elite, so it's not a pressing issue. I used the old laptop for my "copilot", which is really great for immersion when playing in VR.

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For day-to-day stuff, that old laptop runs so much better with Linux than it did with Windows that I'm not going back, even if that means I have to fly solo in the future. My main gaming laptop, on the other hand, runs Windows just fine, so gaming on Linux is more of a hobby than a necessity for me ATM. I'm still interested in this thread, however!
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Genar-Hofoen

Genar-Hofoen
Old Duck said:
Here's a really dumb question, but I must ask - does Proton require Wine, or does Proton replace Wine? I've been trying to install Elite on my old laptop ever since I switched it from Windows to Linux (it is so, so, so much faster with Linux), but I hit a wall and gave up.
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As the above answers, with the addition of: Proton is WINE. It's a variant of WINE with additional patches, alterations, and scripts, produced by Valve with the aim of getting Steam-supplied games running on Linux.

I've seen recommendations to not try and use Proton on its own instead of WINE, but rather to either use Proton via Steam and hence conveniently handled all for you, or like me if you use the Frontier Store version of ED, just use WINE. I can't remember offhand the reason(s) not to use Proton by itself; something to do with all the scripts/magic it does to the resultant container. Or something. Perhaps someone else knows, or perhaps that's old information and it's OK to use it.

Tangent but related; I've switched from using WINE to using a libvirt virtual machine running Windows, and passing through one of the GPUs in my PC to it, reason being I can develop and test Captain's Log running ED in it, and also use the same VM to package CL for a new release (which is taking ages because like yourself I'm not really playing ED much these days so I have little incentive for further effort at this time).

Rgds o7
 
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