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You raise a good question. The game will use p2p as well as a traditional client server architecture but Frontier do have offices in Canada.. I'm suspecting thats close by enough N.America to be of use.
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Welcome to the forums Kurnis.
You raise a good question. The game will use p2p as well as a traditional client server architecture but Frontier do have offices in Canada.. I'm suspecting thats close by enough N.America to be of use.
I wonder where I got the idea that they were using a similar set-up from... It was one of those things I was completely convinced I was right about, until told it was wrong and I went to double-check.
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I guess because it's rather similar except that the instances seem to be handled by a central server instead.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/12770-Chris-Roberts-On-Multiplayer-Single-Player-And-Instancing
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Thanks for double-checking ... I had a quick look but couldn't really find anything about SC's network architecture (it doesn't help that they lost a lot of info when they migrated to the current forums).
Anyway, P2P should reduce the need for region-based servers ... I wonder if it also will mean that ED can support bigger instances.
Currently I believe that ED's instances are limited to about 32 players.
It would seem odd to me if ED would use P2P. That means one client will have to be the host, and if this client for some reason would be lagging. Well guess what, the remaining 31 clients also will. To me that is just a huge turn off! It makes no sense at all making this game Peer 2 Peer.
It is far more likely the game will use client/server with some kind of automated process getting you online depending on what kind of game type you select, where you are located, and if you have any friends online etc. In other words it's instance based, depending on a huge amount of factors.
It is far more likely the game will use client/server with some kind of automated process getting you online depending on what kind of game type you select, where you are located, and if you have any friends online etc. In other words it's instance based, depending on a huge amount of factors.
Can you link to where it was confirmed? Hybrid can mean so much and doesn't really say a lot. The only thing I remember was the developers mentioning an instance based system, which can in no way be P2P (it really wouldn't make sense). If you have a central server updating the players on the fate of the galaxy, then it's already a client/server system but instanced.
Peer-to-peer on wiki.
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Yet you completely disregards the many "server" words mentioned again and again. That is not truely peer-to-peer. I think you just misunderstand the meaning here. It is instanced based client/server, but not in a traditional manner. Hybrid as you said yourself.
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P2P will provide all twitch based action, while server will create and destroy instances and update client information accordingly.
Hmmm ... AI pilots will be part of the twitch-based action too, I wonder how they will be done.
It should be very fast in general and will depend on your internet service provider, and different DNS center and finally submarine cables under the Atlantic. Perhaps people living in remote areas, of their DSLAM, have small problems of download and upload ? (but not for people using fiber optics), but I do not think it will be very disabling.
Question: In your opinion, the IP addresses of the players, will be stored on the central server of Frontier, in the context of P2P ? It seems logical, whether it is the server that manages the P2P
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I can guess that for each p2p session there will be one "server" - one player with best connection, elected to manage NPCs and send information about them to others. But I don't know for real, so it might be completely different
Server will have connection with each of clients, of course it will store IP addresses
I can guess that for each p2p session there will be one "server" - one player with best connection, elected to manage NPCs and send information about them to others. But I don't know for real, so it might be completely different
Actually, I have been trying to figure out the whole NPC business for i while, but failed. First of all. Why can there be "hundreds of NPCs" (according to the KS FAQ), but only 32 players? Everybody should know where the NPCs are right? Otherwise what happens if you decide to gang up with another player and attack one, will only you see the NPC? But if everybody sees the NPCs then what's the difference compared to other players? Isn't the same bandwidth required?
Also, what happens in your scenario above if the player in control over the instance "leaves" the area? If he jumps away is one thing since then the system has time to move over the control to someone else, but what happens if the players connection suddenly dies for some reason. Will the instance just suddenly disappear?
I guess the key is in the following quote:
So I guess P2P is going to be used to "augment" the network and help to reduce the load on the server for certain types of data?
Not an expert on this, but I think it's because NPCs are pretty predictable. Given the same set of data, they'll behave in exactly the same way every time, so you don't need to synchronise them nearly as often as players, which means sending much less data. NPC behaviour will be processed per user, possibly with the occasional check to make sure that everyone's PC has come to the same answer.
Someone can correct me on that if I'm wrong though.
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