Elite dangerous and bug/ch abusing has gone to next level.

Should discovered byu tags be removed from m67 star cluster

  • Yes, becasue there is no way with in game mechanics to achieve this

    Votes: 371 52.9%

  • No, let them keep them.

    Votes: 74 10.6%

  • I don't care

    Votes: 163 23.3%

  • replace the tags with "discovered by distant star expedition" tag.

    Votes: 93 13.3%
  • Total voters
    701
  • Poll closed .

StiTch

StiTch
Ziggy Stardust said:
You torn your dress

Your face is a mess

How could they know?

Hot tramp, I love you so.
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One rep is not enough.

Consider this as my help in reaching page 36. I think we're establishing a new rule akin to the 70/30 poll curse.

"Let him who locks threads reckon the number of forced peace, for it is a human number...Its number is thirty six"
 
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verminstar

Banned
verminstar
As an explorer meself, I voted to keep them because those who went on that expedition knew it was a one way ticket. As someone who finds huge personal satisfaction in reaching the hardest to reach places the milky way has to offer, Ive put my names on systems that took days of plotting and replotting to get to. Crossing the galactic arms takes a serious amount of time and jumponium, not to mention commitment and dedication and bucket loads of patience.

Ive tagged systems that very few others would be inclined to go to...that was an achievment to me. It cost me more than most can even comprehend to get there and do that...if those tags were removed because others found it impossible to get there because they lacked the perseverance, I would be most upset...there might even be tears.

So no...I understand that sacrifice. To go the distance and leave yer mark is why many of us do it in the first place...to degrade that experience now would take something special away from exploration and I absolutely cannot support that, sorry ^
 

Genar-Hofoen

Genar-Hofoen
verminstar said:
As an explorer meself, I voted to keep them because those who went on that expedition knew it was a one way ticket. As someone who finds huge personal satisfaction in reaching the hardest to reach places the milky way has to offer, Ive put my names on systems that took days of plotting and replotting to get to. Crossing the galactic arms takes a serious amount of time and jumponium, not to mention commitment and dedication and bucket loads of patience.

Ive tagged systems that very few others would be inclined to go to...that was an achievment to me. It cost me more than most can even comprehend to get there and do that...if those tags were removed because others found it impossible to get there because they lacked the perseverance, I would be most upset...there might even be tears.

So no...I understand that sacrifice. To go the distance and leave yer mark is why many of us do it in the first place...to degrade that experience now would take something special away from exploration and I absolutely cannot support that, sorry ^
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I see and understand what you're saying, but in your case - you were able to return and sell your data to Universal Cartographics under your own steam. In which case - you earned it, and good for you!

In this particular case, a group of explorers went on what they knew beforehand was a one-way trip. They knew they would not be returning home in one piece to be able to sell that data. And it looks like a CMDR was moved by the Hand Of God such that they were able to return home to sell their data.

It doesn't matter if this was done as a gesture of good will by FDEV, or if it was done by an over-eager Support guy - any tags placed on systems on that supposedly one-way trip which got there by intervention out-of-game, are un-earned.

No one here is saying Distant Stars wasn't an accomplishment. Everyone recognises that.
 

Jonas Treesong

Jonas Treesong
verminstar said:
As an explorer meself, I voted to keep them because those who went on that expedition knew it was a one way ticket. As someone who finds huge personal satisfaction in reaching the hardest to reach places the milky way has to offer, Ive put my names on systems that took days of plotting and replotting to get to. Crossing the galactic arms takes a serious amount of time and jumponium, not to mention commitment and dedication and bucket loads of patience.

Ive tagged systems that very few others would be inclined to go to...that was an achievment to me. It cost me more than most can even comprehend to get there and do that...if those tags were removed because others found it impossible to get there because they lacked the perseverance, I would be most upset...there might even be tears.

So no...I understand that sacrifice. To go the distance and leave yer mark is why many of us do it in the first place...to degrade that experience now would take something special away from exploration and I absolutely cannot support that, sorry ^
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There was no exploration skill involved in this case whatsoever. Each and every member of DS was aware that this was a one way ticket with no exploration data to sell from any scans we made in the M67 cluster. The fact that exploration data from M67 was sold, is to be attributed to a lucky coincidence where a player was moved by Frontier after reporting a bug.
 

missmartian

missmartian
I'm on the distant stars trip and I'm somewhat saddened by this, I'd be interested to know what frontier will do about this; in the ideal world they'd just remove all the tags or replace everything with Distant Stars. My companion and I went on this trip for fun, in my case I've done a number of lore posts based on this trip and it's outcome. All who went on this trip knew it was one way and I'd be dissapointed if any of those pilots submitted a ticket just so they could come home. I'm definitely going to return once multi crew is available just so I can see the sites again, sit in Anaconda's graveyard and self destruct.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226720057856753664/271390792994521089/20170116210058_1.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226720057856753664/274278534086918144/20170126204319_1.jpg


Tags are just that, memories and photos, last a lifetime...
 
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Bran Tse Mallory

Bran Tse Mallory
When I first heard about this trip I was amazed at the dedication of going so far to be the first to see the area and have no way back had a twisted kind of honour about it. Now however if Frontier have helped them get back, even if it was just one of them then all of that is honour is lost and just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

By all means tag the stars as discovered by the expedition but to of moved, if that is the case, CMDR's to a place where they could return in relative safety is just plain bad cricket.
 

Kayweg

Kayweg
Genar-Hofoen said:
Maybe you should read the thread - and the replies to that factually incorrect post - before breathing your own hot air on the thread?

Just sayin'
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Oh, i read quite a lot of it.
And since you used the term "factually", let's look at what "facts" sprang this entire thread.
Somebody heard something from someone on Discord.
There's your facts.
And from that the entire FD support team is accused of actively supporting intentional exploitation in general.
Right...
 
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Windscreen Smudge

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All of the systems should be wiped, just for consistency.

Double charging your FSD is a glitch, an exploit. It's cheating, so even the single star that you can reach with a charged FSD shouldn't have been tagged.

Nothing against the people who put their names up there, it's just a matter of making sure that everyone plays by the same rules.

Consistency.
 

Genar-Hofoen

Genar-Hofoen
Kayweg said:
Oh, i read quite a lot of it.
And since you used the term "factually", let's look at what "facts" sprang this entire thread.
Somebody heard something from someone on Discord.
There's your facts.
And from that the entire FD support team is accused of actively supporting intentional exploitation in general.
Right...
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Right - it's all rumour and hearsay for the moment.

It doesn't prevent saying whether or not tags should be in that star cluster in the first place, IF a ship is not able to return to the bubble FROM there under its own steam.

You posted that that was possible when in fact it is not - not unless you take advantage in a game quirk where you can retain one FSD supercharge after using it - and even then that's only going to be at a maximum of one star system - you have to use that supercharge straight away to return, otherwise it's eventually self-destruct time.

So, with that misinformation you posted, I'm saying you should edit it so that people hitting the reply button to your post aren't misled by it.

Any problem with that?
 

vrseven

V
Windscreen Smudge said:
All of the systems should be wiped, just for consistency.
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Roberlin

Roberlin
dukrous said:
I can tell you with certainty that the OP's claims are accurate. I know of one player who did this, but it was not done with intent. Basically, they were trapped in the cone of a White Dwarf with a busted canopy. They logged out and submitted a ticket to be moved away from the cone. Instead of waiting for support, however, they self-destructed and then completed the climb a second time later that day. Three days later, they found themselves moved back to a system in the Cancri Climb which meant they could return to a base to sell data for tags. There was about 15 minutes of discussion but we had no idea what they chose to do.

Guess we do now.

Frankly, as one of the souls in M67 who knew this was a one way trip, I vote for removing the tags.
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So, it was A FEW PLAYERS who made a decision to profit from FDev support being generous and not checking the circumstances. From the OP it sounded like the whole group had exploited FDev support.

Let them keep it. Glitches like this happen. Players didn't have to return the money made by killing skimmers for combat zone ships, reselling slaves in Robigo and other such "exploits".

Go check MM Velorum. It's 10000 ly from the next star. It is tagged. The player started bragging a little about it on Reddit, but never answered my question about how he got there in the first place. He actually complained to FDev support that he was trapped, and was promptly moved back to the bubble, but his tag is still there. Why not, it is the combined history of gameplay, glitches and support calls.
 
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Genar-Hofoen

Genar-Hofoen
Roberlin said:
So, it was A FEW PLAYERS who made a decision to profit from FDev support being generous and not checking the circumstances. From the OP it sounded like the whole group had exploited FDev support.

Let them keep it. Glitches like this happen. Players didn't have to return the money made by killing skimmers for combat zone ships, reselling slaves in Robigo and other such "exploits".

Go check MM Velorum. It's 10000 ly from the next star. It is tagged. The player started bragging a little about it on Reddit, but never answered my question about how he got there in the first place. He actually complained to FDev support that he was trapped, and was promptly moved back to the bubble, but his tag is still there. Why not, it is the combined history of gameplay, glitches and support calls.
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Any and all tags gained in this way should be erased.
 

racer1

racer1
It doesn't bother me.

But personally I think it is a form of griefing.

You can bet someone has thought I'll just try this on with support and then watch the s hit storm on the forum.

For that reason I say remove.
 
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Kayweg

Kayweg
Genar-Hofoen said:
Right - it's all rumour and hearsay for the moment.

It doesn't prevent saying whether or not tags should be in that star cluster in the first place, IF a ship is not able to return to the bubble FROM there under its own steam.

You posted that that was possible when in fact it is not - not unless you take advantage in a game quirk where you can retain one FSD supercharge after using it - and even then that's only going to be at a maximum of one star system - you have to use that supercharge straight away to return, otherwise it's eventually self-destruct time.

So, with that misinformation you posted, I'm saying you should edit it so that people hitting the reply button to your post aren't misled by it.

Any problem with that?
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Wouldn't have a prob with that at all.
But if one post is edited, and any correlating posts stay unchanged, you only create confusion and a mess for any followup readers.
Editing in hindsight (other than spelling and phrasing) is dangerous business, especially if you have been quoted.
Keeping it as it is enables every reader to follow how it unfolded, i have confidence in people's reading comprehension.
I also didn't post any misinformation, or any information at all for that matter.
I commented on a post (even saying "assuming you're correct") that turned out to be incorrect.
Let's give it a rest, shall we ?
 
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dukrous

D
Roberlin said:
So, it was A FEW PLAYERS who made a decision to profit from FDev support being generous and not checking the circumstances.
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I can only say with certainty about the information I posted and that was a single player. I have not seen any other claims of tags other than that one instance. At this point I believe it's isolated to a single CMDR.

Roberlin said:
Go check MM Velorum. It's 10000 ly from the next star. It is tagged. The player started bragging a little about it on Reddit, but never answered my question about how he got there in the first place. He actually complained to FDev support that he was trapped, and was promptly moved back to the bubble, but his tag is still there. Why not, it is the combined history of gameplay, glitches and support calls.
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There was a bug early on where you could claim the tag on any system regardless of whether or not you were there. This was corrected shortly after launch.
 
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