Elite dangerous and bug/ch abusing has gone to next level.

[Thetele]

Last couple months we have seen many chases were abusing bugs etc. have been used by players to get benefits etc. For example the stacking massacre missions and killing skimmers to achieve high cr/h. CGs that require people to log in and out off the game to respawn stuff so they can have change to get to top spots on CGs. I really don't care about this but would prefer is this wouldn't effect CGs or story related stuff but everyone can stack and log off grind missions to get a lot of cr as much they want and i don't care. But all these can be seen as unintended stuff, not as stuff that frontier has decided to do or be features or mechanics of the game.

Now, however frontier support have joined to help players to get stuff that can't get or do in game. Most of you probably know distant star expedition. Players went to star cluster high above the galaxy, and with in game methods its one way trip as you need to do 219 ly jump to be able to enter the cluster. This mean there is no way player can get back to the bubble with exploration data to sell it and claim systems, stars or planets and tag them. Today logged in to the game in the cluster and see discovered by tags on planets, so i go to distant stars discord and ask if someone found way to get back home. The answer is no, there still is no way back to home. The answer i get is really shocking Frontier support have moved people from cluster back to systems were they can travel back to bubble and sell their data and get discovered by tag with their name on these systems. This is not bug or ch, frontier support have helped players to achieve stuff that is impossible to do in game. This feel very lame that frontier help people to cheat in game mechanics and rules. They should have at least removed the exploration data from these people when they moved them. This stuff is not acceptable, bugs and mechanics abusing i can understand (i would prefer t to not effect other player as much) but support doing that stuff? Why would they undermine their own game and community?

Should frontier remove these discovered by xxxx player tags from these systems in m67 star cluster as there is no way (other than support move you out there) to get those tags? This not following the rules of game start to go too far now that frontier support has taken part to it

 

[Non Grata]

That sounds very wrong if true.

 

[Cpt Spaulding]

What a dumb thing to be upset about. Cheating? C'mon, give your head a shake.
I voted "Don't care".

 

[Agony_Aunt]

They went to great lengths to organize this expedition and to find a way there. They went accepting that it would be a one way mission, without any expectation that FD would help them out in any way beyond perhaps recognition in a newsletter, or perhaps a decal like happened with Distant Worlds.

That FD decided to do this i think was a wonderful gesture. Their names will now remain there as the first to reach those systems, a wonderful achievement.

In the future, FD might increase jump ranges or give us other ways to get to that cluster. Would be a shame if those who came later could tag the systems that others had already been to and scanned.

Also, small side note, but once you have a scanned an object/system, and died, you can't go back and rescan it, because its already known to you. So, should it, in future, become possible to get there and come back, they would not be able to try and be the first to tag what they first discovered.

At the end of the day, if it bothers you so much, why were you not on this expedition in the first place?

 

[TERMINATRIXXX]

I don't care. But it needs to be clarified how the player has done it.
There are several bugs and exploits in any game. It's even possible that the player was never there, he then used an exploit to hack the Elite Database, which is not uncommon, there are many ways.
Probably it was a developer itself while testing the game, developer accounts have special abilities etc. and has scanned the star without the intention to get the name on it.

I would submit a ticket to the support or better call them directly.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

They went to great lengths to organize this expedition and to find a way there. They went accepting that it would be a one way mission, without any expectation that FD would help them out in any way beyond perhaps recognition in a newsletter, or perhaps a decal like happened with Distant Worlds.

That FD decided to do this i think was a wonderful gesture. Their names will now remain there as the first to reach those systems, a wonderful achievement.
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It's a big achievement to reach those places.

It's a wonderful gesture from FD. And it's simply wrong. The first discovery tag is: got there and returned home first. Coming home is as much part of the challenge than getting there.

If something can't be done in-game FD shouldn't play around it. Simple. It's cheating or exploiting (mostly from FD). It's wrong. Simply wrong.

 

[Conch]

i think it should be removed. it has to do with fairness, when you play monopoly you dont give Streets to people that nag to the bank..

 

[StiTch]

Definitely wrong. They can get trophies their own way, and it should be kinda cool that there are systems you can visit and not claim. Variety is the spice of life and all that.

On the other hand, OP just reeks of salt.

 

[Conch]

Definitely wrong. They can get trophies their own way, and it should be kinda cool that there are systems you can visit and not claim. Variety is the spice of life and all that.

On the other hand, OP just reeks of salt.

being salty is not a crime tho..

 

[Shar]

Cheating is cheating worst if fdev have facilitated it, Disgraceful if true and an insult to all the commanders that went before. just wrong.

 

[StiTch]

being salty is not a crime tho..

There's handling something with composure, and then there's the tantrum.

Guess which tends to get results?

Pretty certain the forum poll is just going to get lost in deep dark depths of the poll graveyard.

 

[Riverside]

Voted option 4. I agree it's not right to tag them with Cmdr names if there is currently no way to get back, simply because there may be a legit way to tag them in future.

But it's known that suiciding with lots of data has caused server issues in the past, FDev may be helping themselves avoid an 'incident' here.

 

[Hooplah]

Worrying about a few system tags with millions of systems still unexplored? I don't care. I don't compete with other players nor do I care about their status, achievements and how they got them. If someone finds a ch that makes their game play more enjoyable then more power to them. Worrying about how others play the game by their own fairness standards is way overdone on this forum.

 

[JosiahD]

They went to great lengths to organize this expedition and to find a way there. They went accepting that it would be a one way mission, without any expectation that FD would help them out in any way beyond perhaps recognition in a newsletter, or perhaps a decal like happened with Distant Worlds.

That FD decided to do this i think was a wonderful gesture. Their names will now remain there as the first to reach those systems, a wonderful achievement.

In the future, FD might increase jump ranges or give us other ways to get to that cluster. Would be a shame if those who came later could tag the systems that others had already been to and scanned.

Also, small side note, but once you have a scanned an object/system, and died, you can't go back and rescan it, because its already known to you. So, should it, in future, become possible to get there and come back, they would not be able to try and be the first to tag what they first discovered.

At the end of the day, if it bothers you so much, why were you not on this expedition in the first place?

While I applaud Frontier's willingness to recognise the efforts of such an expedition (and the efforts and drive of the CMDRs in question), it just feels wrong to me that support have stepped in in this instance. The CMDRs not getting discovered by tags under normal circumstances would not have been due to a bug or crash. It would have been because there was no in-game way back - a fact those CMDRs freely acknowledged when they started out. I wholeheartedly support Frontier intervening if loss of discovered by tags were due to a bug or crash but I don't think it's appropriate in this instance.

 

[vrseven]

What a dumb thing to be upset about. Cheating? C'mon, give your head a shake.
I voted "Don't care".

You were the customer support rep that moved them...werent you?

 

[askavir]

That FD decided to do this i think was a wonderful gesture. Their names will now remain there as the first to reach those systems, a wonderful achievement.

No.

The rule has always been "scan and bring the data home to claim it as yours", not "the one who scans it first and can only return with handwavium drive". That's why for instance you will lose your tagged systems if your ship is destroyed, or someone else returns and claims the system before you.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

It is using an out of game mechanism for an in game statistic. Which is bollox. Not that I care much about it, but it's wrong. Wrong I tell ya!

So, what if another CMDR does the same in a different place of the galaxy? Will Frontier also grant that CMDR the opportunity to go back and cash in?

 

[Morbad]

I think this sets a terrible precedent for Support to be aiding people in this fashion.

 

[WR3ND]

On that note, would Support please move me to the Large Magellanic Cloud?

Spoiler

In game name: CMDR WR3ND

Right about here should do...

 

[JosiahD]

No.

The rule has always been "scan and bring the data home to claim it as yours", not "the one who scans it first". That's why for instance you will lose your tagged systems if your ship is destroyed, or someone else returns and claims the system before you.

Exactly. No-one should be 'above the law' as it were. If Frontier wanted to give them a chance to return, they should have simply manually added in the necessary neutron stars or something to get them home (maybe made such a route circuitous or hard to find though), not magically warp them out. So much for the stance on no magic instant travel, because that's exactly what Frontier has essentially done (as there was no bug or such in play here). That's how it makes me feel at least, made all the worse by the fact that I'm sure this sort of assistance just won't be available to all who put themselves in such a predicament (ie when no bug or crash is in play).....or will it? At the end of the day it's Frontier's call, but it just doesn't sit right with me and sets a precedent.