Elite:Dangerous for Linux?

[WR3ND]

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I actually do have another Debian install on a USB jump drive as I have a USB port on my motherboard. I mostly use it as a kind of backup and alternate boot option. It is a fair bit slower, being USB 2. On the testing I've done using USB 3, it's comparable to HDD speeds, so not a huge slowdown, but still slower than SATA III. The RAM drive is of course very fast indeed, much faster than even SATA III, but that so far only has some practical benefits that might not make it worthwhile, depending on what you're trying to do, of course.

The USB jump drives themselves aren't something I'd consider to be very reliable but can often times be good enough. I wouldn't recommend using them as the main OS drive for typical usage scenarios. I suspect we're not all that far away from essentially having jump SSDs though.

Cheers.

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Oh, just wanted to mention though that on the listed computer in my signature, I do primarily boot to Windows 7 and then use Debian in it as a VM. This is a main part of my home entertainment system, so you'll have to forgive me for not optimizing it toward some specific tasks.

 

[0x666c697473]

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Well, this guy is running dual-boot, with GNU/Debian on a ram drive, apparently a USB/SSD in a VM. I would be courious if you have the issues stated by the VictorT?

I think you have inadvertently conflated some technologies there. A RAM Drive lives in system RAM (of which WR3ND appears to have 64gig (so quite a bit for a domestic system)). While similar in *some* components, Solid State Disks and Secure Disk cards are not RAM and the bus to get there is very different.

In addition, they are running the debian install as a Virtual Machine, not a dual boot, at least according to the info in the graphic.

o7

 

[WR3ND]

Don't be silly! Linus doesn't have problems. Only lots and lots of solutions.

I'm not sure why you're sticking out your tongue. What you're saying is essentially correct. Really, the only main limitations of GNU/Linux are that it isn't as mainstream on the "desktop/laptop" platform, so you tend to get less mainstream software and driver support for it. In a way, I tend to think of this as a kind of unfortunate artificial limitation though. It's like having to commute to work in a traffic jam while driving an electric sports car with great range.

I do use Debian/KDE as the main OS on my production/gaming laptop though. Tons of fun. Just waiting on Intel to get their drivers updated to support Vulkan and newer versions of OpenGL on it... Still works great for many of the Steam games though.

Cheers.

 

[shadragon]

Which (Century) moon have you been hiding on?

Microsoft is moving away from Windows and proprietary software in the last year. Nadala is moving it to a Service Provider model that runs on any platform, and even providing windows as a service. We are little more than a hop skip and a jump from divorcing Hardware from OS. You can get Windows 10 on-a-stick right now that is more than just a live CD, since it carries all your profile and customizations with it.

If you are going to dis a company, at least catch up...

After thirty plus years of dealing with Microsoft, possessing several of their qualifications since NT4 and spending man years of server room time fixing MS issues I'm pretty much up to speed already. Not sure how I dissed them for simply stating their business model.

What they call their offerings is irrelevant as you are still mired in a Microsoft world where only MS centric products will work. It started as "Client-server", then the "Network", transitioned to the "Internet", moved to the "Web" which became "Cloud based" and is now "Software as a Service (which is still web and cloud based, they just invented a new term to charge you more frequently for it)." Regardless, the essential monopolistic designs do not change. They provide import routines to take Gmail and import it into Exchange, but provide no Export, as just one example. It's a one way door, once you're in, good luck getting out with your data intact. Linux allows you to port your data into any platform in most formats with multiple options if something fails.

MS marketing (and Apple, and Google, and many others besides) are really good at using buzz words and spin that ultimately mean little. Oracles "Unbreakable" Linux comes to mind. I remember seeing that quote on their letterhead when they sent me a high six digit tech support bill for it. They are corporations and need to post more profit this year than last, or executives get fired. What they say and what they do are sometimes quite divergent.

 

[the100thmonkey]

Linux is not easy to use for the "Average" user and that obstacle needs to be tackled too.

I installed Ubuntu 10.10 on my wife's machine temporarily when we didn't have the money for a Windows license.

She preferred it. The issue wasn't that it was difficult to use; it was that the software she needed to use for Second Life (she ran a business there) wasn't available on Linux. While there are some areas WRT usabulity where Linux lags behind Windows, I wouldn't say that the most mainstream of Linux distros - Ubuntu - is in any way unfriendly to neophytes. It's just not.

On the flip side, my father-in-law can't even set up the Windows 10 email client to use a POP3 mailbox. I do that for him, along with all kinds of other PC-related things.

 

[VictorT]

Exactly how I write my code I have my own log system like you do, not only does this help as I can see what I want but when debugging I can see what function fails and go from there.

That's another big difference between windows and linux. the errors and debug messages under Linux are never as cryptic or as meaningless as they are on Windows. When you're trying to troubleshoot something, everything Linux reports back is usually useful for finding problems. Just compare what's in the binary "Event Log" to what's in the plain text file "/var/log/syslog" (or /var/log/messages if you're redhattish), and you get a great feel for just how transparent and understandable Linux really is.

The version that the current stable SteamOS uses, is just perfect!

yep, and it also has Vulkan installed by default now.

 

[wstephenson]

Journalctl. Journalctl. Journalctl. Say it 3 times and Lennart (or his lieutenant, Kai) appears.

 

[WR3ND]

Bit off topic, but we were also previously discussing getting the word out about gaming on Linux. Found this guy's channel on YouTube, and he's doing a lot of great things for getting people aware of the possibilities. https://www.youtube.com/user/tuxreviews

Had to throw a sub his way, myself. Cheers.

 

[Kisvakond]

yep, and it also has Vulkan installed by default now.

Frontier is out of excuses now...
The dx12 train will get you nowhere. Xbox one will have no benefit from dx12 as xbox games already get all the juice out of the HW. win10 is out of the question.
Linux + Vulkan train = SteamOS + PS4 + win7 on + win8 on + Mac (+ win10 of course).

 

[Keybuk]

Frontier is out of excuses now...

The reason Linux gaming has never really taken off is the general unwillingness of Linux users to pay for anything, and the general hostility of Linux developers to anything that doesn't come with the source code.

 

[0x666c697473]

Bit off topic, but we were also previously discussing getting the word out about gaming on Linux. Found this guy's channel on YouTube, and he's doing a lot of great things for getting people aware of the possibilities. https://www.youtube.com/user/tuxreviews

Excellent find, thank you!

 

[Keybuk]

Journalctl. Journalctl. Journalctl. Say it 3 times and Lennart (or his lieutenant, Kai) appears.

You mean "Kay"...

I find that just leaving a few beers out tend to make them appear much faster!

 

[znôrt]

The reason Linux gaming has never really taken off is the general unwillingness of Linux users to pay for anything, and the general hostility of Linux developers to anything that doesn't come with the source code.

two blunt lies in one sentence. way to go ... (deleted for being pointless and likely to offend. my bad)

anyway, the chances of frontier pulling off linux compatibility are next to zero just for technical reasons. i realized that when i learned they were forcing mono on mac users just for a crappy launcher. so: almost impossible to pull off + a very small market segment = forget about it.

 

[Keybuk]

two blunt lies in one sentence. way to go ...

Which Linux distribution did you develop?

 

[the100thmonkey]

Which Linux distribution did you develop?

Developing A Linux distro doesn't make you a psychologist or economist.

 

[Keybuk]

Developing A Linux distro doesn't make you a psychologist or economist.

True.

But developing a Linux distro does make you very familiar with its users, and its developers, and means you've sat down in meetings with game designers, and developers... etc.

So, y'know, challenging being called a liar there ;-)

 

[znôrt]

So, y'know, challenging being called a liar there ;-)

don't take it personal. i didn't cal you a liar. you could be uninformed and spreading other's lies.

anyway, here's your chance. demonstrate this with facts:

- general unwillingness of Linux users to pay for anything
- general hostility of Linux developers to anything that doesn't come with the source code.

you'll have a hard time my recommendation is you start with the second, as it is a statement easy to fudge around with ending in meaningless discussion

 

[Keybuk]

don't take it personal. i didn't cal you a liar. you could be uninformed and spreading other's lies.

anyway, here's your chance. demonstrate this with facts:

- general unwillingness of Linux users to pay for anything
- general hostility of Linux developers to anything that doesn't come with the source code.

you'll have a hard time my recommendation is you start with the second, as it is a statement easy to fudge around with ending in meaningless discussion

Well, simple start for the first ... how much did you pay for the Linux distribution on your machine?

And for the second, that came preinstalled with the Nvidia driver for your graphics card, right?

 

[Iori]

Now that Vulkan is out, it should be possible to transition to it and abandon directx completely, since it works on both windows and linux.

The increase in performance would take the asteroid rings to the next level, without all the stuttering.

 

[znôrt]

Well, simple start for the first ... how much did you pay for the Linux distribution on your machine?

i remember having paid for suse, back in the day. it came with manuals (on paper!) and all. nice distro. and at our shop we used to pay redhat support. i myself never paid for any other distro since they don't charge anything except the media, and i didn't need it. but i paid for humble bundle and some indie games.

And for the second, that came preinstalled with the Nvidia driver for your graphics card, right?

oh, yes, i forgot that one! i paid nvidia for their driver too (buying half a dozen cards or so ...).

linux is overwhelmingly open source, doesn't mean there's no use for binaries, it's just distros can't maintain them and the original vendors must do. android is linux based too and is chock full with third pary binaries.

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so, now that you tried to nag at my particular case, could you try to ground you general statements?