Elite Dangerous now on Steam

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The prevailing norm is to use Steam? lmao. I know you re-posted that James, but I hope you see the problem. The millenial fanbois are just too funny sometimes. Serious and seriously lacking in perspective. It's just a poor use of the Appeal to Authority fallacy - doesn't Frontier know everybody uses Steam, so they are doing it wrong.

The day Steam declares Chapter 7 and the service shuts down while they try to get someone else to take it over, expect millions of children to wail and cry as they stumble out the front door to see sunshine for the first time in their lives. And it could happen easily. There are now so many Alpha and Beta releases on Steam that become adbandonware or (like one I particularly liked 'Nether') that get picked up like human-trafficked hookers and handed around between one developer after another who never seems to get it right that the service itself is now suspect.

I was really happy to find what I considered to be the release of a major new game that wasn't simply number X in a series to milk money out of a franchise and also was NOT on Steam. Unlike many others here I never played earlier Elite games. My Steam 'library' - mostly uninstalled is littered with games that even after some investigation were found to be nothing more than shady sales of games I might find in a bargain bin, the developers long before having lost interest or financial means.

The ONLY thing Steam offers that is beneficial is a handy menu to start games. That's it.

Oh dear. 1984 "millennial" here. You're embarrassing me.
Steam is today's de facto go-to platform for distribution and consumption of videogames. I get what you say, but please cut that patronizing attitude.

EDIT: I thought I was Generation X or somesuch. I'm happy to find out I'm not *that* old :)
 
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135 pages in, if anybody cares, I add my vote to being able to transfer my key to STEAM. I didn't back the pre-release version in part because of the anti-STEAM stance. I do enjoy the game, but I don't like the politics and some of the things that happened in development. If worst comes to worst, I'll buy the game again when it goes on sale in STEAM. I did that with Rise Of Flight, no regrets there, either, and I like those devs a lot more than Frontier. Not saying I hate Frontier, just that they could have done better in my view, and I know they know they made mistakes.
 
What? Elite is now on Steam? Alpha/Beta backers are NOT getting keys!?

If that's true, people are going to be seriously crossed...
 
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Settle down guys, we're all master debaters aren't we?



To be fair he's not actually saying anything is flawless (which is what fanboys do), but there do seem to be a cabal of Steam fanatics here who are determined to not see any criticism of their beloved retailer aired publically.



It's not so much that the keys concern me, it's the potential cost. I am not sure what sort of contract FD set up with Valve, but if issuing new UELAs to players means it costs FD money they could use for other things I'd rather they didn't. If it costs them nothing at all to do then I couldn't care less. But you have to admit that is something we can have a valid opinion about.

There is no potential cost, as many others have already stated, Frontier doesn't have to pay anything in order to generate Steam keys. They only "lose" money when someone buys the game from Steam instead of buying it direct from the FD store (Steam takes a 30% cut from Steam storefront sales)
Anyone who says that Steam takes a cut from keys is lying, multiple devs already stated that they don't have to pay a dime in order to generate keys.
 
Rise Of Flight

Anyone here play Rise Of Flight (WWI flying combat sim)? It was created by Russian developer neoqb. They went under and were bought out by 777 Studios. In turn, 777 sold their rights to... STEAM.

Many RoF players, myself included, bought the game outside of STEAM before STEAM took RoF. Unfortunately, their server system made it impossible to transfer non 777 accounts to STEAM and vice versa, although 777 players and STEAM players could interact online. I eventually just bought the game twice, once on 777, once on STEAM.

One thing that made this possible was that 777 was gracious and gave big discounts in their sales. STEAM is also famous for their sales. Frontier... not so much, not to this date, anyways. That's all right, I vote with my wallet. If I like a game, I'll pay for it: I do have a few Slitherine games in my library, and those guys are even more expensive than Frontier.

Anyways, my point is that if 777 can make the transition, so can Frontier. I don't mind paying for the game twice as long as I can move my account from game to game, and I can get a sale once in a while.
 
There is no potential cost, as many others have already stated, Frontier doesn't have to pay anything in order to generate Steam keys. They only "lose" money when someone buys the game from Steam instead of buying it direct from the FD store (Steam takes a 30% cut from Steam storefront sales)
Anyone who says that Steam takes a cut from keys is lying, multiple devs already stated that they don't have to pay a dime in order to generate keys.

Interesting that you claim this. So why do we get an answer to the contrary about the same issue?

Couple of misconceptions to clean up :

Firstly, it does not cost Valve anything to issue steam keys for a game. That's entirely up to the publisher, Valve can issue as many keys as the publisher requests.

Secondly, Valve often encourages publishers to "grandfather in" existing customers onto the steam platform because it makes it easier to manage patch distribution.

So if Frontier are saying they won't be giving out steam keys, the only reason this is, is because they want to double dip customers. Nothing else. These keys cost nothing, literally nothing.

This is absolutely not true.

So if you claim that "multiple devs" have said it costs nothing, then why don't you link to those posts for us?
 
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Some of the negative steam reviews are rather entertaining, like the guy who rammed the station when he boosted by mistake and lost his exploration data, somehow it's the game's fault. At least we don't have to worry about idiots roaming our universe.
 
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Interesting that you claim this. So why do we get an answer to the contrary about the same issue?

So if you claim that "multiple devs" have said it costs nothing, then why don't you link to those posts for us?

Well he did edit his post, similarly he also (Don't know if they edited that as well) claimed that it was done in order to gather feedback first, at a time where they had already stated it was decided we would not get them, the fact they can't get a story straight makes it kind of hard to take their word at face value.

In this thread there are a few devs who have confirmed it, likewise Valve writes it on their own site, and several other games have been doing it without any fuss as well as has been named several times in this thread.

You do realise that the "not true" part was the insinuation that Frontier have not handed out Steam keys to all backers in some avaricious plot to "double-dip" into our pockets, right?

Strangely enough he did edit his post 20 minutes later to be ambiguous about that part, not sure if that was some kind of plausible deniability thing or what he was trying to do by making an otherwise specific statement less specific.
 
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The question of most import is this: Will there be trading cards? :D

Oh yeah, and will you finally release the "Single Player Combat Training" product as a free demo, already, FD, pretty please? Still got people on the fence here. If they could try out flying around a bit, it might just be enough for a couple more sales. ;)
 
The question of most import is this: Will there be trading cards? :D

Oh yeah, and will you finally release the "Single Player Combat Training" product as a free demo, already, FD, pretty please? Still got people on the fence here. If they could try out flying around a bit, it might just be enough for a couple more sales. ;)

There is an unofficial single player combat demo which you can get your friends to play to try it out.
I won't link it here due to rules and such, but a quick search on the old google, will get you to the right place ;)
 
This is absolutely not true.

You do realise that the "not true" part was the insinuation that Frontier have not handed out Steam keys to all backers in some avaricious plot to "double-dip" into our pockets, right?

Edward did not state that his statement applied to only part. If it did, then wouldn't have singled out only that part?

If Edward quoted both points that were made, then his response is to both points.

In this thread there are a few devs who have confirmed it, likewise Valve writes it on their own site, and several other games have been doing it without any fuss as well as has been named several times in this thread.

In all threads, there's a little orange Elite symbol that marks Dev posts. If you click on it, then you're taken to the next one. I just went through all Dev posts in this thread and saw absolutely no mention of any of them confirming that the Steam keys cost them or Valve nothing.

But be my guest, find the post(s), and link them here.
 
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Not sure what you're getting at, but if it's what I think it is (regarding steam keys) then there is this existing thread here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=133500

Just to clarify, FD have not sold their "rights" to Steam. They are just using the platform to publish the game.

As for sales, the game has been out for less than 4 months. Games generally don't go on sale during that time...
 
Edward did not state that his statement applied to only part. If it did, then wouldn't have singled out only that part?

If Edward quoted both points that were made, then his response is to both points.

He did, but he changed it 20 minutes later.

In all threads, there's a little orange Elite symbol that marks Dev posts. If you click on it, then you're taken to the next one. I just went through all Dev posts in this thread and saw absolutely no mention of any of them confirming that the Steam keys cost them or Valve nothing.

I didn't say Frontier devs.
 
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