Elite Dangerous now on Steam

[tooterfish]

The game currently has 73% "mostly positive" reviews on Steam. It was 74% last night. Down from 76% during the day. And I expect it to continue trending downwards like that. Because the game's biggest fans are locked out of the platform, the game's biggest fans can't put their views forward, because the game's biggest fans already bought it.

People pay attention to those reviews, it will eventually directly affect sales, especially if it dips from the positives into "mixed" territory.

It's got nothing to do with being entitled to anything, it's about Frontier making yet another colossal marketing misstep. They're literally shooting themselves in the foot here, and it's simultaneously amusing and frustrating to watch.

 

[Bearhug67]

The game currently has 73% "mostly positive" reviews on Steam. It was 74% last night. Down from 76% during the day. And I expect it to continue trending downwards like that. Because the game's biggest fans are locked out of the platform, the game's biggest fans can't put their views forward, because the game's biggest fans already bought it.

People pay attention to those reviews, it will eventually directly affect sales, especially if it dips from the positives into "mixed" territory.

It's got nothing to do with being entitled to anything, it's about Frontier making yet another colossal marketing misstep. They're literally shooting themselves in the foot here, and it's simultaneously amusing and frustrating to watch.

The problem is that Steam trolls love to rage around instead of getting smacked with a frying pan in the face.
For some, it's just for fun, Others do love to take games apart in the hope to push them so faster into the bin sale section. I saw it so often over the years that I am sure that many do this with that malevolent attitude. The question would be what could be done against those heads?
When the parents already created such failures then I see no way how to fix it except letting just people buy on Steam with their own credit card. Of course...will never happen as Steam will ever have large jars of Vaseline ready to shove their head up the tailpipes of those brats to get to the dough of their parents.
You gotta love capitalism.

 

[CaptainKremmen]

The game currently has 73% "mostly positive" reviews on Steam. It was 74% last night. Down from 76% during the day. And I expect it to continue trending downwards like that. Because the game's biggest fans are locked out of the platform, the game's biggest fans can't put their views forward, because the game's biggest fans already bought it.

People pay attention to those reviews, it will eventually directly affect sales, especially if it dips from the positives into "mixed" territory.

It's got nothing to do with being entitled to anything, it's about Frontier making yet another colossal marketing misstep. They're literally shooting themselves in the foot here, and it's simultaneously amusing and frustrating to watch.

It was "Mixed" on day 1. Sold 10,000 copies. Top seller.

Do you really think any current customers need to race in and write reviews? Pump up one number or another? Is it really our job to do so? FD obviously don't think so.


The game will get the reviews it deserves, from Steam players who have bought it.

Those reviews are more than just a +1 to Positive or Negative. They are points of view from actual recent purchasers. Reading those reviews will give other potential customers the info they need to decide if it's a game they should buy.


My personal sense of self-worth doesn't come from seeing XYZ game get 76% Positive instead of 73% Positive reviews on the latest delivery channel. Nobody's should.


Oh, and I tried adding Elite to my Steam library tonight. I named it "Elite: Dangerous", as someone posted here that to name it exactly so would enable screenshot uploads post-game... which it did. It took me 15 seconds.

So I now have:

- Game listed under Steam
- Shift-Tab Steam Overlay
- F12 Screenshot with cloud upload
- Counts up my time in-game (not persistent)
- Shows my friends I'm playing Elite
- Pressing "Elite: Dangerous" loads "Elite: Dangerous Launcher", just like the Steam-purchased copies.

It doesn't give me:
- Ability to write a review on Steam
- Persistent time in-game

176 pages. Really.

 

[almostpilot]

What FD is waiting to give to all backers a steam key?

Shame FD

 

[Skuli]

It was "Mixed" on day 1. Sold 10,000 copies. Top seller.

Do you really think any current customers need to race in and write reviews? Pump up one number or another? Is it really our job to do so? FD obviously don't think so.


The game will get the reviews it deserves, from Steam players who have bought it.

Those reviews are more than just a +1 to Positive or Negative. They are points of view from actual recent purchasers. Reading those reviews will give other potential customers the info they need to decide if it's a game they should buy.


My personal sense of self-worth doesn't come from seeing XYZ game get 76% Positive instead of 73% Positive reviews on the latest delivery channel. Nobody's should.


Oh, and I tried adding Elite to my Steam library tonight. I named it "Elite: Dangerous", as someone posted here that to name it exactly so would enable screenshot uploads post-game... which it did. It took me 15 seconds.

So I now have:

- Game listed under Steam
- Shift-Tab Steam Overlay
- F12 Screenshot with cloud upload
- Counts up my time in-game (not persistent)
- Shows my friends I'm playing Elite
- Pressing "Elite: Dangerous" loads "Elite: Dangerous Launcher", just like the Steam-purchased copies.

It doesn't give me:
- Ability to write a review on Steam
- Persistent time in-game

176 pages. Really.

Does it give you in-home streaming this way? I haven't tried.

 

[tooterfish]

My personal sense of self-worth doesn't come from seeing XYZ game get 76% Positive instead of 73% Positive reviews on the latest delivery channel. Nobody's should.

Nobody's does, I'm speaking from a marketing perspective.

Thanks for the condescension though.

Oh, and I tried adding Elite to my Steam library tonight. I named it "Elite: Dangerous", as someone posted here that to name it exactly so would enable screenshot uploads post-game... which it did. It took me 15 seconds.

I did this last September. Get with the program!

176 pages. Really.

Beats the constant whining about goons that was going on the last time I visited these forums.

Well, I say beats. At least it's different.

 

[Bearhug67]

I just see on Steam that the game got flagged with the MMO tag. Who the hell assigns those tags? I guess the inhabitants run the Asylum??

I know that for some people 'multiplayer' or 'massive multiplayer' can't be distinguished anymore from MMO games as many just seem to play the latter these days.

 

[Toumal]

The game currently has 73% "mostly positive" reviews on Steam. It was 74% last night. Down from 76% during the day. And I expect it to continue trending downwards like that.

You haven't been paying attention.

The game started out with "Very positive reviews", then went down to "Mostly positive". It was "Mixed reviews" on Friday, and has since gone up again to "Mostly positive" on Saturday/Sunday. So the big dip was around Friday, ED is on an overall upswing right now.

Tell me again why you need a steam key? So your one review makes the number flip by 0.01%? Because that's what you're getting.
If you want to write a positive review, write a positive review! Places other than steam do still exist! And people do find those way easier than your one positive review that's gonna be drowned out by the hundreds of others before and after you.

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I just see on Steam that the game got flagged with the MMO tag. Who the hell assigns those tags? I guess the inhabitants run the Asylum??

I know that for some people 'multiplayer' or 'massive multiplayer' can't be distinguished anymore from MMO games as many just seem to play the latter these days.

I'd agree with you there, I don't think ED is an MMO. However, I also don't think Firefall is an MMO, nor Global Agenda. They're all tagged as MMO however.
So either Steam takes off the MMO tag from the couple dozen MMO games that are using instancing, or the MMO tag can stay on Elite just as well. If you're complaining about that, and don't get me wrong I agree with you on principle, then let's apply the same standard for every game.

 

[gnardogjay]

They have several hundred thousand more pounds than they had four days ago. If you honestly believe that they aren't going to pump any of that money in to further development then I don't know what to say except that you shouldn't even bother playing the game; I wouldn't if that is what I believed.



People go on about how they feel badly treated by the company but just like any other company it's nothing other than a bunch of people trying to do what is best with a load of conflicting requirements. Certainly if I was a developer I'd never want to visit these threads again after this latest show, and the community only has itself to blame if this happens. They're people: treat them like it.

People aren't going to sugar coat this. Welcome the internet.

 

[Toumal]

What FD is waiting to give to all backers a steam key?

Shame FD

Shame on you for not even bothering to research your opinion before spreading it in a write-only fashion on these forums.

Why do you want a steam key? What does it give you that you don't already have? Why do you think you are entitled to a Steam key? Keep in mind that this was NEVER part of the deal - nor does the lack of a Steam key make the game any less valuable or playable for you.

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People aren't going to sugar coat this. Welcome the internet.

I completely agree with Mahddogg, Frontier needs to draw a line in the sand and not give in to the Steam key demanders. Because a) they'll keep complaining even after they got a steam key because they haven't been given one for free from the get-go, and b) They'll do the same thing with the next feature that is new and not part of the initial deal. Like, oh, the paid expansions.

I can hear them already:

"Why is this a paid expansion? It's so vital to the game, it should be included in the base price I paid when I bought the core game!! How is FD messing up this so badly??"

Go on, save this post. I bet you 50 quid that someone's gonna write that line when the planetary landing and FPS expansions are being released.

 

[uk_uk]

What FD is waiting to give to all backers a steam key?

Shame FD

Holidays, you *not-so-clever-person*

 

[tooterfish]

Tell me again why you need a steam key?

I never told you I needed a Steam key a first time, so to do so again would be paradoxical at best...

 

[gnardogjay]

Shame on you for not even bothering to research your opinion before spreading it in a write-only fashion on these forums.

Why do you want a steam key? What does it give you that you don't already have? Why do you think you are entitled to a Steam key? Keep in mind that this was NEVER part of the deal - nor does the lack of a Steam key make the game any less valuable or playable for you.

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I completely agree with Mahddogg, Frontier needs to draw a line in the sand and not give in to the Steam key demanders. Because a) they'll keep complaining even after they got a steam key because they haven't been given one for free from the get-go, and b) They'll do the same thing with the next feature that is new and not part of the initial deal. Like, oh, the paid expansions.

I can hear them already:

"Why is this a paid expansion? It's so vital to the game, it should be included in the base price I paid when I bought the core game!! How is FD messing up this so badly??"

Go on, save this post. I bet you 50 quid that someone's gonna write that line when the planetary landing and FPS expansions are being released.

Damn straight I'm going to want the expansions also because that's what I and many others lready paid a premium price for about a year ago. 150$ premium beta which includes every expansion that they ever make. Others before me paid 300$ Sooo ya you don't know what you are talking about. We already bought all of the expansions.

 

[Toumal]

I never told you I needed a Steam key a first time, so to do so again would be paradoxical at best...

Not "you" per se, but perhaps you need to re-read your own post:

Because the game's biggest fans are locked out of the platform, the game's biggest fans can't put their views forward, because the game's biggest fans already bought it.

BTW: Giving everyone steam keys would mean that also a lot of people who got the game before steam but don't like it would also post reviews on Steam. I think it's reasonable to assume that the ratio remain roughly the same, unless you have some specific explanation why the ratio should change.

 

[ricmadeira]

Any updates from Frontier yet?

 

[Toumal]

Damn straight I'm going to want the expansion also because that's what I paid a premium price for about a year ago. 150$ premium beta which includes every expansion that they ever make.

Ok yes, I completely agree - but you see, you KNOW that you're gonna get this because it's written in your purchase description, or your KS backing details on the backers app and on kickstarter.com

There's the difference: Nobody bought ED from the Zaonce store and had "Complimentary Steam key included, when and if we ever release on Steam" written on it. My bet is that a lot of those people who didn't back Elite on a level that includes all expansions will later complain why they don't get said expansions for free.

They will all be just as "entitled" as the people clamouring for a free, complimentary Steam key.

No. You should not get a Steam key. And hopefully Frontier does NOT listen to these people, and instead focuses on 1.3 because this games needs some actual content desperately, more than it needs to appease some angry persons on an internet forum.

 

[GermanDarknes]

So I now have:


- Game listed under Steam
- Shift-Tab Steam Overlay
- F12 Screenshot with cloud upload
- Counts up my time in-game (not persistent)
- Shows my friends I'm playing Elite
- Pressing "Elite: Dangerous" loads "Elite: Dangerous Launcher", just like the Steam-purchased copies.


It doesn't give me:
- Ability to write a review on Steam
- Persistent time in-game


176 pages. Really.

176 of people that also care about small features, of course not everyone wants/needs this...


You have:
- Game listed under Steam
--> Different Folder on your HDD -> extra backup folder
- Shift-Tab Steam Overlay
--> No direct link to community hub, no direct link to the guides
- F12 Screenshot with cloud upload
--> bound to a third party game, so no linking to the game hub
- Counts up my time in-game
--> like you said, not persistent and thats what people also care for (Xfire anyone?)
- Shows my friends I'm playing Elite
--> as third party game -> no direct link to hub again
- Pressing "Elite: Dangerous" loads "Elite: Dangerous Launcher", just like the Steam-purchased copies.
--> Automatic launcher update


It doesn't give you:
- Write a Review
- Wrtie Guides on the hub
- Persistent time in-game
- Easy backup method
- See which friends also own this game
- Link LiveStream, Screenshorts, Artworks to ED Hub
- Direct links to Community Hub and other stuff in steam client

Yes the game is still the same, this is only the answer that there is a difference between add a third-party title to steam or have it on steam itself.

 

[Jaybong]

I just see on Steam that the game got flagged with the MMO tag. Who the hell assigns those tags? I guess the inhabitants run the Asylum??

I know that for some people 'multiplayer' or 'massive multiplayer' can't be distinguished anymore from MMO games as many just seem to play the latter these days.

hit any tag and Elite will probably come up at the top. RPG, Strategy, Open World...

 

[Wicz]

Any updates from Frontier yet?

http://www.halftermdates.co.uk/bholidays/england-wales-scotland-bank-holidays.html

 

[gnardogjay]

Ok yes, I completely agree - but you see, you KNOW that you're gonna get this because it's written in your purchase description, or your KS backing details on the backers app and on kickstarter.com

There's the difference: Nobody bought ED from the Zaonce store and had "Complimentary Steam key included, when and if we ever release on Steam" written on it. My bet is that a lot of those people who didn't back Elite on a level that includes all expansions will later complain why they don't get said expansions for free.

They will all be just as "entitled" as the people clamouring for a free, complimentary Steam key.

No. You should not get a Steam key. And hopefully Frontier does NOT listen to these people, and instead focuses on 1.3 because this games needs some actual content desperately, more than it needs to appease some angry persons on an internet forum.

The only people that want a free key already paid for the game. I love the game I love steam; Yes I Should get a steam key and no one will change my mnd I know I am right. Good luck changing anyones mind that knows the truth like I do. Telling me I can't have What I deserve will only push me to fight harder.
No keys for backers will cause problems and yes that is how it will be no matter what any arguments say; there will be a big negative publicity storm and it will be bad for business end of story.