Elite Dangerous now on Steam

[heyhellowhatsnew]

Let me guess, they never gave an answer because they didn't realize the crap storm they caused.

Also they are confused about people who don't want a Steam key, because everyone who bought the game from this site will get a Steam key. It doesn't mean that a whole bunch of new people will come along, it means that people who already own the game and have/are playing it now get to use the Steam client for it.

Why is this so hard to understand for people? Where do any of you naysayers lose out in this situation? Is there something wrong with you? I'm being serious because I can't understand why people think this is bad. It's like... pure insanity. I swear why hasn't someone drawn a chart for those people? Preferably in crayon so they understand it.

 

[Toumal]

If nothing else, all this lunacy has made me realise what a great job steam must have done marketing wise over the years.

There are gamers, actual gamers, that consider a launcher designed purely to sell you more games to be more important than the games they play on it.

It's truly remarkable, yes. And no matter whether you like it or not, keep in mind that you don't buy games on Steam, or even a license, only a subscription that can be terminated at any time. But as a poster said just a few posts back, "And I'm not sure what you are talking about when you say that Steam games lock down or disappear."

And yet people pay full price for something that can be taken away by a simple thing such as paypal suspending your account and reverting some payments, for example because someone ELSE who was suspicious has sent you money. So through no fault of your own, you can end up with all of your "purchases" inaccessible to you.

I'm sure someone will tell me how wrong I am and that this isn't possible or never happens. Which brings me back to the "the earth is round even if you believe otherwise" thing.

I guess it's true that ignorance is bliss.




But don't get me wrong: I support the notion of FD handing out steam keys to people who bought the non-steam version. I am just bewildered at the marketing at work on Valve's part.

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Is homeworld remastered any good, I loved the original not so keen on homeworld 2

That's a bit offtopic, but eh, it's Homeworld. there's some notable improvements and I think HW1 benefited the most from the remaster.

 

[dewiced]

You can't decide facts by popular vote. It doesn't matter if a thousand muppets vote on the earth being a flat disk - it's still a spheroid. Likewise, while you may find yourself in company of a lot of like-minded individuals who all believe Frontier owes them a Steam key because you all stomp your feet, you are still not right.



That's actually a contradiction. Either you demand to be given a steam key, in which case you feel that you are entitled to it and that Frontier is obliged to give you one. Or you don't *demand* it, and instead ask for it, accepting the possibility that they end up NOT giving out Steam keys. The latter makes your request a reasonable one, and reflects well on yourself. The former, not so much.

No one demands a key. We demand the game which we bought on page to be integrated with Steam. And that my friend is a HUGE difference. I know what you are doing. You are one of those few who are mixing crap just to smell better.

 

[Armour]

This is the new External View thread, to be regularly bumped by the hardcore lobbyists from now until the end of time (or until Frontier acquiesces to their demands, whichever comes first).

 

[Wardiaper]

It's truly remarkable, yes. And no matter whether you like it or not, keep in mind that you don't buy games on Steam, or even a license, only a subscription that can be terminated at any time. But as a poster said just a few posts back, "And I'm not sure what you are talking about when you say that Steam games lock down or disappear."

And yet people pay full price for something that can be taken away by a simple thing such as paypal suspending your account and reverting some payments, for example because someone ELSE who was suspicious has sent you money. So through no fault of your own, you can end up with all of your "purchases" inaccessible to you.

I'm sure someone will tell me how wrong I am and that this isn't possible or never happens. Which brings me back to the "the earth is round even if you believe otherwise" thing.

I guess it's true that ignorance is bliss.

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But don't get me wrong: I support the notion of FD handing out steam keys to people who bought the non-steam version. I am just bewildered at the marketing at work on Valve's part.

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That's a bit offtopic, but eh, it's Homeworld. there's some notable improvements and I think HW1 benefited the most from the remaster.

Isn't the same true for Frontier? I mean the subscription to Elite and not really owning it because it is online only. The paypal thing sounds like fraud, which I'm sure Frontier also has to deal with in their own way. Maybe they suspend accounts that the payment has been charged back or some similar thing?

Steam is great so you don't have a ton of individual game launchers sitting around. I'm not that interested in all the social stuff but gives me a great place to keep my game collection, great deals on games, if I have a problem with a game just right click and pick "forum" and I can see if anyone is having the same problem. I would say I feel much more secure with games in my steam library rather than up to individual developers to maintain their own servers so I can keep playing my "subscription."

 

[Stigbob]

No one demands a key. We demand the game which we bought on page to be integrated with Steam. And that my friend is a HUGE difference. I know what you are doing. You are one of those few who are mixing crap just to smell better.

You can integrate it yourself already, as a non-steam game.

 

[Marc Alexander]

It's good to see this thread still on top here. A real sign perhaps that the community regards getting a Steam key as important still.

Alternatively, this thread is being kept alive because some people give a strong impression of being entitled to something they are not, and others may not see this point of view.

 

[Devnant]

Well, considering pretty much every other dev out there gave steam keys for kickstarter backers, I'd appreciate getting a steam key as I bought a premium beta package. There are also many, many, many games out there that can be activated on Steam with a CD-KEY. Even ancient ones.

I don't see the problem in giving Steam keys to who already bought the game, honestly.

You don't like Steam? Don't use it. I like it, I want this game activated on it. Simple.

 

[fearlessfrog]

This is the new External View thread, to be regularly bumped by the hardcore lobbyists from now until the end of time (or until Frontier acquiesces to their demands, whichever comes first).

Kinda, but explain what the 'They shouldn't get a Steam key' people gain from their perspective?

In the external view thing I sort of got both sides of the debate (combat advantage, realism etc etc), but for this one I struggle why people are putting in effort to say existing purchasers shouldn't get steam keys?

It's not like this either stops new purchases on Steam (as in using Valve software and their shop) nor even switching across anything exclusive to steamworks. It just seems like a way to say 'I don't like Steam' when that boat has already sailed with 50,000 new purchases..

 

[fearlessfrog]

Alternatively, this thread is being kept alive because some people give a strong impression of being entitled to something they are not, and others may not see this point of view.

Maybe. Flicking through it seems like a lot of single entries of 'I'd like a key' followed by the same set of people who really dislike Steam. There are also some crazy people.

If you don't like Steam or Valve or Gabe then complain to Frontier for selling it there, not at the people who just want the (optional) keys.

The misunderstanding may be is that when people say 'Frontier I really want a key!!' then they aren't talking to you, and you also aren't talking for or representing Frontier to protect them from 'entitled' requests either.

 

[jgm]

Kinda, but explain what the 'They shouldn't get a Steam key' people gain from their perspective?

Although I'm not in that camp I can see problems with going down that route. Elsewhere in this thread people have already said that they "expect" (which will quickly become "demand" if this thread is anything to go by) achievements, trading cards, badges etc. So then FD are carrying out work which *only* benefits those who choose to use Steam. And that puts FD in a position where it is better for users to buy something through Steam than direct from their own website, and FD are paying for the privilege both in terms of extra development work and a chunk of their revenue going to Valve.

If they can clearly segregate the two communities, at least in terms of purchasing, with neither having an obvious advantage over the other, then it's more down to the individual users' choice as to which they choose and both can co-exist. Those who purchased before the Steam release don't have anything less than what they already purchased, and future purchasers can choose whichever method of purchase they desire.

 

[Marc Alexander]

Maybe. Flicking through it seems like a lot of single entries of 'I'd like a key' followed by the same set of people who really dislike Steam. There are also some crazy people.

If you don't like Steam or Valve or Gabe then complain to Frontier for selling it there, not at the people who just want the (optional) keys.

The misunderstanding may be is that when people say 'Frontier I really want a key!!' then they aren't talking to you, and you also aren't talking for or representing Frontier to protect them from 'entitled' requests either.

I'm not talking for anyone poppet - merely making an observation.

 

[Stigbob]

Kinda, but explain what the 'They shouldn't get a Steam key' people gain from their perspective?

Having not bought the game through steam, they are not valve customers and as such are not entitled to anything from valve.

The game can already be launched through steam, and is no different to the non-steam version.

They bought a product from FD and were given it.

I dont understand why people expect FD to supply steam keys for what was purchased as a non-steam game, and I don't understand why people think valve should care about non-customers.

 

[mbpoblet]

you don't buy games on Steam, or even a license, only a subscription that can be terminated at any time.

That depends on the game (or the developers), really. You can buy DRM free games on Steam (the ones from CD Projekt, for instance), just like you can buy ones that have extra DRM added on top, if you're into that kind of thing.

 

[Armour]

Kinda, but explain what the 'They shouldn't get a Steam key' people gain from their perspective?

No thanks, I'm not the Reader's Digest.

 

[fearlessfrog]

Although I'm not in that camp I can see problems with going down that route. Elsewhere in this thread people have already said that they "expect" (which will quickly become "demand" if this thread is anything to go by) achievements, trading cards, badges etc. So then FD are carrying out work which *only* benefits those who choose to use Steam. And that puts FD in a position where it is better for users to buy something through Steam than direct from their own website, and FD are paying for the privilege both in terms of extra development work and a chunk of their revenue going to Valve.

If they can clearly segregate the two communities, at least in terms of purchasing, with neither having an obvious advantage over the other, then it's more down to the individual users' choice as to which they choose and both can co-exist. Those who purchased before the Steam release don't have anything less than what they already purchased, and future purchasers can choose whichever method of purchase they desire.

Those are good points, thanks. For all of the extra fluff like badges etc, then while I don't care for it personally, if it easy to do and optional (as in I can ignore it) then I don't see the harm. It is coming for the Xbox console release anyway in some ways. While it will take away focus and dev resources, the other side of the coin is that it might increase revenue to do more than just pay for it. People often cite the 30% cut (it's not that high, but whatever) that Valve take as a 'cost' but then don't want to readily take into account increased sales that more than cover that. If you sell 50,000 copies at 30% cut, where the previous weekend you only sold 5,000 then you're still up

I think as long as Frontier are multi-platform and doing ok (of which they appear they are) then there is very little chance of what many in this thread really fear - which is being a Steamworks exclusive and just on Steam. Elite D is not going to go that way I feel, and this key thing isn't a slippery slope.

 

[mbpoblet]

I dont understand why people expect FD to supply steam keys for what was purchased as a non-steam game

Because it would cost Frontier nothing, while significantly benefiting them and the game.

I don't understand why people think valve should care about non-customers.

Because non-customers can easily become customers when they access their game through your platform and Valve can bombard them with juicy offers.

 

[Gimpymoo]

Why are all the people who are "against" Steam, being obstructive to the idea to those who like and use Steam getting a Steam key?

If you do not use it, your interpretation of the "worth" of the platform will of course be much less.

 

[fearlessfrog]

I'm not talking for anyone poppet - merely making an observation.

Ah - understood. Thanks.

 

[jgm]

...if it easy to do...

Have you seen how long it's taking them to get out basic paintjobs for their ships?