The question was will the game LAUNCH on Steam. Launch was five months ago
And for some reason you left out next sentence, which re-contextualises your quote:
Elite Dangerous now on Steam
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The question was will the game LAUNCH on Steam. Launch was five months ago
And for some reason you left out next sentence, which re-contextualises your quote:
Harbinger
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Amazing how everyone who quotes this conveniently leaves out the follow up.
Here let me try and put that back in context for you:
EDIT: ninja'd by ape808.
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We get it. You don't care about steam. At all. Bad. Bad people who like steam. Bad.
Fact is SOME PEOPLE would like to be able to run ED natively through steam. I am one of those people.
I have never demanded a refund, nor told anyone not to give FD any money, not sure where you pulled that from, and I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth.
Nice to see though that you agree that the steam version and the non-steam version are not identical.
I've been too busy downloading it from the Playstation Network to notice.
Or stop discussing this topic ad naseam with nothing new has been discussed since yesterday about 10 minutes after the thread was opened. There's a reason why other forums have caps on the number of posts a thread can have.
Frontier, please let us link our ED account to Steam. Myself, like many others, were led to believe ED would never be on Steam. Had I known I would not be able to link accounts, I would have held off if this were permanent.
As it stands, I would feel much relief just knowing that one day the accounts will be able to be linked. Please give me peace of mind so I can stop feeling so crappy about my non-steam purchase.
The question was will the game LAUNCH on Steam. Launch was five months ago
Read again. The question was NOT: "Will the launch be on Steam at the same time as your standalone client launch?"
The question was: "Will you launch the game on Steam?"
And as we know now, the correct answer would haven been that the Steam launch will take place after the stand-alone client launch in Apr '15.
Every software house (serious ones, obv.) give their customers a steam key or the possibility to sync their accounts once the game has been out on Steam, so the fact that they are "CONSIDERING IT", must not be seen as "Wooow, they are so good people", but in a really greedy way.
Would have never gave a buck to them.
Would have never gave a buck to them.
Just so you know, their support responded very fast and friendly to my refund request and i got my refund granted,
as i never downloaded the game before (i was waiting for it to come to steam).
I gave them now time till next wednesday to make steam keys for me happen,
if they fail that i will go ahead with my refund.
I will never play the non-steam version anyways.
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So if you NEVER downloaded your kickstarter copy from their shop,
you definatly can get a refund if you desire.
If you played the game, i guess it will not be that easy, it is still worth a try tough.
Ian Phillips
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People. It is Easter. The employees of both Steam and FD are on holiday, as are most of you.
Why don't you go and eat some easter bread and eggs and come back with your demands when someone can actually respond to them?
Why don't you go and eat some easter bread and eggs and come back with your demands when someone can actually respond to them?
If you played the game you won't get a refund, period.
Funny thing is, they are pretty fast on refund requests, but any other Support ticket seems to be ignored for quite some time.
Posting this here, it's from the Steam Community forums and I think that it's the best post about this situation so far:
Originally posted by Stumpokapow
I haven't purchased the game before now and I don't plan to purchase it, but I just wanted to take a minute to note the following:
- The prevailing norm is to release games on Steam at the same time as not on Steam. The relationship with consumers starts on a sour note when you launch separately, because it's difficult not to see the initial launch as being about maximizing profit by denying Steam its cut, and then the move to Steam so quickly after launch as about, having exhausted the game's general demand, time to pick up the latent demand in the Steam audience. I don't think anyone is going to give Frontier the benefit of the doubt because of this.
- The prevailing norm for non-Steam games releasing on Steam is to provide Steam keys for past purchases. Developers on Steam can do so at 0 cost. Everyone can agree that asking a person to purchase a game twice is not a good situation. There are a variety of ways to prevent the keys being generated from being resold. This is not a significant problem and no one is going to believe that it is.
- Everyone on Steam knows they can add non-Steam games to their Steam library, and no one feels this is a good solution. It's really patronizing when developers do this because it comes off like treating the consumers who want the game as Steam as if they're dumb to want it. People aren't interested in Steam-as-launcher, they're interested in full Steam integration. Playtime tracking, achievements, cards, leaderboards, cloud saving, SteamPlay, etc.
Maybe this stuff is not widely known within Frontier because Frontier hasn't released a PC game since Thrillville 2 (I'm a huge fan of that game, by the way). This speaks to the cost of ignoring a platform for so long. It's a pity, because LostWinds, Zoo Tycoon, and Screamride would all be great fits for the platform--and if re-engineered, so would Disneyland Adventures and Kinectimals. But now that you're back on PC, I think you'll find that you will do very well if you take the time to listen, learn the norms of the platform, and serve your audience. If you won't listen to your audience, I recommend you reach out to other developers who seem successful in the PC space and ask them about their experience.
From a PR/Optics point of view, this is a no-brainer situation. Best of luck coming to the right decision in the end.
Well, that sounds mighty convenient for FD, doesn't it?
Funny thing is, they are pretty fast on refund requests, but any other Support ticket seems to be ignored for quite some time.
Posting this here, it's from the Steam Community forums and I think that it's the best post about this situation so far:
Originally posted by Stumpokapow
I haven't purchased the game before now and I don't plan to purchase it, but I just wanted to take a minute to note the following:
- The prevailing norm is to release games on Steam at the same time as not on Steam. The relationship with consumers starts on a sour note when you launch separately, because it's difficult not to see the initial launch as being about maximizing profit by denying Steam its cut, and then the move to Steam so quickly after launch as about, having exhausted the game's general demand, time to pick up the latent demand in the Steam audience. I don't think anyone is going to give Frontier the benefit of the doubt because of this.
- The prevailing norm for non-Steam games releasing on Steam is to provide Steam keys for past purchases. Developers on Steam can do so at 0 cost. Everyone can agree that asking a person to purchase a game twice is not a good situation. There are a variety of ways to prevent the keys being generated from being resold. This is not a significant problem and no one is going to believe that it is.
- Everyone on Steam knows they can add non-Steam games to their Steam library, and no one feels this is a good solution. It's really patronizing when developers do this because it comes off like treating the consumers who want the game as Steam as if they're dumb to want it. People aren't interested in Steam-as-launcher, they're interested in full Steam integration. Playtime tracking, achievements, cards, leaderboards, cloud saving, SteamPlay, etc.
Maybe this stuff is not widely known within Frontier because Frontier hasn't released a PC game since Thrillville 2 (I'm a huge fan of that game, by the way). This speaks to the cost of ignoring a platform for so long. It's a pity, because LostWinds, Zoo Tycoon, and Screamride would all be great fits for the platform--and if re-engineered, so would Disneyland Adventures and Kinectimals. But now that you're back on PC, I think you'll find that you will do very well if you take the time to listen, learn the norms of the platform, and serve your audience. If you won't listen to your audience, I recommend you reach out to other developers who seem successful in the PC space and ask them about their experience.
From a PR/Optics point of view, this is a no-brainer situation. Best of luck coming to the right decision in the end.
Well, that sounds mighty convenient for FD, doesn't it?
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I bet there dreading coming back as they no what there expecting. That's why they did it now.
they're*
also: they did it now because it's a holiday weekend and sales will be good. it's a very good weekend to release to a new market.
and they're looking forward to coming back and seeing those sales numbers
they don't dread this forum moaning and complaining about their gold brick being too heavy or not polished enough for them. they're used to that by now. it's like the sky being blue.
Harbinger
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Too late, they already left the office yesterday. Today is a Bank Holiday in the UK.
maaan. here i am at work. i live in the wrong country.
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