Elite Dangerous now on Steam

[Kayweg]

Or stop discussing this topic ad naseam with nothing new has been discussed since yesterday about 10 minutes after the thread was opened. There's a reason why other forums have caps on the number of posts a thread can have.

Looking at the solo vs. group vs. open thread, i'm confident we have some ways to go if there's some sort of cap.

And plenty of new angles have been discussed since this thread opened, deny it all you want.

It's a forum, discussion is it's purpose, i don't understand you're issues, especially since you have an easy way out if you wanted.

We have moderators to close threads, if that happens, fine....report the thread then.

 

[CaptainPedge]

People. It is Easter. The employees of both Steam and FD are on holiday, as are most of you.

Why don't you go and eat some easter bread and eggs and come back with your demands when someone can actually respond to them?

Well when they come back to work after the weekend, there will be tons of evidence that people want steam keys.

 

[Copernicus Pitbull]

dear Frontier,

I purchased this game from you for som three weeks ago and before doing that I search this forum and I goggled it and I checked on STEAM if this was available thru them. It wasn't and it shouldn't happen blabla, no I didn't read the 80+ thread on this issue just the first and last.. I got the message, no STEAM, OK I want this game so I suffer the homemade shop and not so great download speed... I even suffered that the client wasn't up to date and I needed to update again before even starting the simulator...

and i I love the game again, wasted my youth on the c64 on this until I drove my little brother crazy..

but you have now on my feelings... I'm one of them that expects a STEAM key since you shouldn't even try to tell me that you didn't where in negotiations with STEAM three weeks ago... You didn't inform us customers or potential customers about this since you knew that the added value STEAM adds would have meant that we wait, hell I waited since 1986 that you would make a worthy sequel... and the waiting would mean no purchases.... so you have actively decided not to inform your customers, now you have handle that and frankly, you are doing it very poorly....

going to the ground and not answering anything else than, maybe, Is just like pouring gasoline on the flames, BOOM... so make a decision and go with it, but if you go cheap you will alienate your fan base and even your PR department should understand that, well they should have foreseen this happening but perhaps they where never asked....

and yes +1 for a steam key...

God I rambling, must be the damn good CDR....

 

[Aquila Oculus]

Last staff post: page 54. Wow. I've joined this particular party a bit late. I would be very disappointed if I were expected to spend another £39.99 and start from scratch to get the enhanced features of Steam. To be perfectly honest, if I knew it would be coming out on Steam I would have waited.

Let's hope they see sense and allow existing customers full functionality via a key. There is literally no reason not to other than outright greed and rather a lot of the community here sees that... I have faith they will do the right thing. They gave us external views remember?

 

[Cmdr Irenicus]

15 games currently installed, 3 of them on Steam.

How did i ever manage to get hold of the other 12 ?

Most games are either on steam, origin or uplay thesedays. I have plenty of games that don't need steam but they are old. However that's completely separate from "only way to sell" which I believe is badly worded on the posters behalf

 

[alienangel]

If Frontier started selling on GoG or Amazon, will you also demand keys for their digital services too?

Their digital services almost without exception give you steam keys for any game that's available on Steam, so... yes?

Listen I've played ED for a fair while, and I played Frontier before it. I still recognize that not providing Steam keys for a game that's available on Steam is wildly bizarre. FD belatedly realizes this too. I don't know why you guys are so staunchly sticking to your guns to defend a largely pointless position.

 

[Cmdr Irenicus]

I dont care what majority wants, and dont care about steam.
I care about the game and fdev. They are hard working here and most of you compaining here 'i want i want i want' because I WANT. Maybe you should say 'thanx' sometimes.
Give them a brake, Michael wrote they look at this. End of story now.

A brake? For what? Their bike? Car?

I digress.
Steam is fine, no real issue with it, if it was full of ads and bloatware then I could see the issue but those who complain about steam are just being biased for whatever reason and not using their brain cells. There is no real downside to it. Oh and good luck with future games if you don't want steam. You won't have a choice for many games soon. Perhaps that's the only real issue with it is that with many games you don't have a choice but that's no different to exclusives on consoles. You HAVE to buy a PS4 or XBone if you want a game exclusive to those consoles so...yeah. Use your brain and stop using backward thinking. With what you're saying you might as well go as far as "I don't care if most people have a PC, i want to play board games instead".
Enjoy your tiddly winks

Oh and P.S. No, not end of story. I can't stand when people like yourself like to think you are the one to choose when exactly a discussion ends just because you think your opinion is the only right one (when it's actually a very flawed and outdated, blinkered view with no real merit). Sorry but it doesn't work like that. So no, nice try but you lose.

 

[CmdrPSB]

Can the moderators lock this thread and say this will get taken care of? This discussion is just the same points being repeated.

As we learnt from the offline thread/s last year, containment to a single cess pit is probably the best we can hope for, even though the thread is now the same thing over and over again. It beats multiple threads repeating the same thing every couple of pages.

 

[Darth Ender]

The only interest I have in Elite on Steam is what precipitated the change in stance on coming to steam. Simply exposure and thus money, did Valve invest, some kind of hardware partnership etc?

Seems too abrupt of a change in something FD clearly didn't want for it to be something that wont effect the game in some direct way. So the "why" is the only thing important to me. Couldn't care less about steam keys.

 

[James Harper]

Something really strange, the latest newsletter doesn't mention the Steam release at all.

http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=dcbf6b86b4b0c7d1c21b73b1e&id=3d707afe65&e=4e79be15f1

Why wouldn't it be a featured news item?

 

[Nergles]

The only interest I have in Elite on Steam is what precipitated the change in stance on coming to steam. Simply exposure and thus money, did Valve invest, some kind of hardware partnership etc?

Seems too abrupt of a change in something FD clearly didn't want for it to be something that wont effect the game in some direct way. So the "why" is the only thing important to me. Couldn't care less about steam keys.

I just bought my copy yesterday but I would def prefer to have it on steam.

 

[Gold Member]

If you played the game you won't get a refund, period.
Funny thing is, they are pretty fast on refund requests, but any other Support ticket seems to be ignored for quite some time.

Posting this here, it's from the Steam Community forums and I think that it's the best post about this situation so far:

Originally posted by Stumpokapow
I haven't purchased the game before now and I don't plan to purchase it, but I just wanted to take a minute to note the following:

- The prevailing norm is to release games on Steam at the same time as not on Steam. The relationship with consumers starts on a sour note when you launch separately, because it's difficult not to see the initial launch as being about maximizing profit by denying Steam its cut, and then the move to Steam so quickly after launch as about, having exhausted the game's general demand, time to pick up the latent demand in the Steam audience. I don't think anyone is going to give Frontier the benefit of the doubt because of this.

- The prevailing norm for non-Steam games releasing on Steam is to provide Steam keys for past purchases. Developers on Steam can do so at 0 cost. Everyone can agree that asking a person to purchase a game twice is not a good situation. There are a variety of ways to prevent the keys being generated from being resold. This is not a significant problem and no one is going to believe that it is.

- Everyone on Steam knows they can add non-Steam games to their Steam library, and no one feels this is a good solution. It's really patronizing when developers do this because it comes off like treating the consumers who want the game as Steam as if they're dumb to want it. People aren't interested in Steam-as-launcher, they're interested in full Steam integration. Playtime tracking, achievements, cards, leaderboards, cloud saving, SteamPlay, etc.

Maybe this stuff is not widely known within Frontier because Frontier hasn't released a PC game since Thrillville 2 (I'm a huge fan of that game, by the way). This speaks to the cost of ignoring a platform for so long. It's a pity, because LostWinds, Zoo Tycoon, and Screamride would all be great fits for the platform--and if re-engineered, so would Disneyland Adventures and Kinectimals. But now that you're back on PC, I think you'll find that you will do very well if you take the time to listen, learn the norms of the platform, and serve your audience. If you won't listen to your audience, I recommend you reach out to other developers who seem successful in the PC space and ask them about their experience.

From a PR/Optics point of view, this is a no-brainer situation. Best of luck coming to the right decision in the end.




Well, that sounds mighty convenient for FD, doesn't it?

The prevailing norm is to use Steam? lmao. I know you re-posted that James, but I hope you see the problem. The millenial fanbois are just too funny sometimes. Serious and seriously lacking in perspective. It's just a poor use of the Appeal to Authority fallacy - doesn't Frontier know everybody uses Steam, so they are doing it wrong.

The day Steam declares Chapter 7 and the service shuts down while they try to get someone else to take it over, expect millions of children to wail and cry as they stumble out the front door to see sunshine for the first time in their lives. And it could happen easily. There are now so many Alpha and Beta releases on Steam that become adbandonware or (like one I particularly liked 'Nether') that get picked up like human-trafficked hookers and handed around between one developer after another who never seems to get it right that the service itself is now suspect.

I was really happy to find what I considered to be the release of a major new game that wasn't simply number X in a series to milk money out of a franchise and also was NOT on Steam. Unlike many others here I never played earlier Elite games. My Steam 'library' - mostly uninstalled is littered with games that even after some investigation were found to be nothing more than shady sales of games I might find in a bargain bin, the developers long before having lost interest or financial means.

The ONLY thing Steam offers that is beneficial is a handy menu to start games. That's it.

 

[James Harper]

The prevailing norm is to use Steam? lmao. I know you re-posted that James, but I hope you see the problem. The millenial fanbois are just too funny sometimes. Serious and seriously lacking in perspective. It's just a poor use of the Appeal to Authority fallacy - doesn't Frontier know everybody uses Steam, so they are doing it wrong.

The day Steam declares Chapter 7 and the service shuts down while they try to get someone else to take it over, expect millions of children to wail and cry as they stumble out the front door to see sunshine for the first time in their lives. And it could happen easily. There are now so many Alpha and Beta releases on Steam that become adbandonware or (like one I particularly liked 'Nether') that get picked up like human-trafficked hookers and handed around between one developer after another who never seems to get it right that the service itself is now suspect.

I was really happy to find what I considered to be the release of a major new game that wasn't simply number X in a series to milk money out of a franchise and also was NOT on Steam. Unlike many others here I never played earlier Elite games. My Steam 'library' - mostly uninstalled is littered with games that even after some investigation were found to be nothing more than shady sales of games I might find in a bargain bin, the developers long before having lost interest or financial means.

The ONLY thing Steam offers that is beneficial is a handy menu to start games. That's it.

While I can understand that you may feel that way, most people think like Stump does (me included) You don't need to start with all the "fanboy" stuff, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

[Tinman]

Something really strange, the latest newsletter doesn't mention the Steam release at all.

http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=dcbf6b86b4b0c7d1c21b73b1e&id=3d707afe65&e=4e79be15f1

Why wouldn't it be a featured news item?

Easter Egg?

 

[mega_newblar]

I made an account just so I could add +1 to the 'please give a steam key to the people who bought the game before steam release' crowd.

It may seem trivial to some but to others it's such an essential feature that it's hard to believe it wasn't done from the start.

 

[Die Zahl]

Something really strange, the latest newsletter doesn't mention the Steam release at all.

http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=dcbf6b86b4b0c7d1c21b73b1e&id=3d707afe65&e=4e79be15f1

Why wouldn't it be a featured news item?

i got it... ED was released on 1. April... nice Joke frontier ^^

 

[Gold Member]

While I can understand that you may feel that way, most people think like Stump does (me included) You don't need to start with all the "fanboy" stuff, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

It's completely fanboy stuff. Keep an eye on the Steam forum for ED and see how quickly it gets panned because essentially the game is empty space with objects and it's up to the players to make the game. There are two types of games that seem to be popular - ring-in-the-nose style games where you are lead to objectives because there isn't anything else to do, and the sandbox instance where every setback lasts only as long as the respawn timer. ED is neither.


Edit:
lol. Just had a quick look at the Steam forums. Already filled with hardware issues and people complaining about price. And then the early adopters out here will complain when they sell it for $20.

 

[James Harper]

It's completely fanboy stuff. Keep an eye on the Steam forum for ED and see how quickly it gets panned because essentially the game is empty space with objects and it's up to the players to make the game. There are two types of games that seem to be popular - ring-in-the-nose style games where you are lead to objectives because there isn't anything else to do, and the sandbox instance where every setback lasts only as long as the respawn timer. ED is neither.

That doesn't warrant you calling people "fanboys" Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I quite like E, and feel that the freedom to do anything without being told to go somewhere or do something is probably the most attractive thing about it. Yet, I do not think that people who think otherwise are wrong or should be called names for their opinions.

 

[FuzzySpider]

The prevailing norm is to use Steam? lmao. I know you re-posted that James, but I hope you see the problem. The millenial fanbois are just too funny sometimes. Serious and seriously lacking in perspective. It's just a poor use of the Appeal to Authority fallacy - doesn't Frontier know everybody uses Steam, so they are doing it wrong.

The day Steam declares Chapter 7 and the service shuts down while they try to get someone else to take it over, expect millions of children to wail and cry as they stumble out the front door to see sunshine for the first time in their lives. And it could happen easily. There are now so many Alpha and Beta releases on Steam that become adbandonware or (like one I particularly liked 'Nether') that get picked up like human-trafficked hookers and handed around between one developer after another who never seems to get it right that the service itself is now suspect.

I was really happy to find what I considered to be the release of a major new game that wasn't simply number X in a series to milk money out of a franchise and also was NOT on Steam. Unlike many others here I never played earlier Elite games. My Steam 'library' - mostly uninstalled is littered with games that even after some investigation were found to be nothing more than shady sales of games I might find in a bargain bin, the developers long before having lost interest or financial means.

The ONLY thing Steam offers that is beneficial is a handy menu to start games. That's it.

Damn. That's the best post here I've read so far, and I'm absolutely saluting it.

"Greenlight" and "Early access" are becoming synonyms for "vapourware" and "cheap crap you'll end regret buying". Developers have, for a while now, been using online connectivity to release half-finished broken products simply because they think they can fix things later. But Steam have been going one better by actually making this a feature of their platform and turning people into unpaid beta-testers at best and paying beta testers at worse. Steam is great in some respects. The fact you can buy games, have them in an online library, and download them as much as you like is what I like it for (I don't really like hard copies of games as I'm always losing them). But in all other respects it's something I could personally do without.

The only interest I have in Elite on Steam is what precipitated the change in stance on coming to steam. Simply exposure and thus money, did Valve invest, some kind of hardware partnership etc?

Seems too abrupt of a change in something FD clearly didn't want for it to be something that wont effect the game in some direct way. So the "why" is the only thing important to me. Couldn't care less about steam keys.

I've a horrible feeling they have hit a brick wall as far as sales go. It's complete conjecture with absolutely nothing solid to back it up. But I can't see any other reason to take this game to Steam.

 

[SwissSkynet]

People. It is Easter. The employees of both Steam and FD are on holiday, as are most of you.

Why don't you go and eat some easter bread and eggs and come back with your demands when someone can actually respond to them?

Whats a "Easter Bread"? mhh ok take Part of this Game... Playing Easter: Dangerous on my Easter Computer, drinking an Easter Red Bull and watch Easter Streams on my Second Easter Monitor and WAITING for an Easter Steam Key

Here`s an Easter Potato:
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