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ANNOUNCEMENT Elite Dangerous: Odyssey Announcement
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I am real. Healthy skepticism is necessary with this developer. However, what you're doing is called lying.
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I think few would have any major issues if the announcement was: "Odyssey will support VR except for the space legs bits." This thread would have turned out very different, I promise you. But the announcement was specifically: "ODYSSEY doesn't support VR at launch."
From a separate launcher application, almost like they're entirely different games, you have to select whether to launch the base game, Horizons or Odyssey.
Odyssey = No VR.
So far this is all we know for sure. And I'm bitter because frankly, it does not fill me with much hope. Unless... unless we manage to raise a sufficient s**tstorm and this turns out similar to other recent dumpster fires which FDev had to revert. The drag experimental effect on boost. Pretty much all the FC figures. A frikken blue ARX icon in the UI. The list goes on. That's what this thread is all about. Of course there's the "boohoo u whiners" and "do u even lift bro" comments that come along with any such feedback thread, but hey. It's all just making this backlash harder to ignore, so it's all good in my books.
Now, I haven't played that many VR games myself, so in those terms, I don't really care in one way or the other if Odyssey has it on launch or not. But The VR games I've played, even when portrayed in 1st person, weren't really controlled like 1st person games usually are. They had controls like teleport moving to spot or like in the case of Republique, you control cameras and give directions to another character.
What I am getting here is a question those of you with more experience with VR, how does direct 1st person movement fare in current-generation VR devices? Is it possible, that FD, just like so many other devs, just hasn't found the proper way of making walking movement in VR feel good enough, so they are because of that reluctant to promise a VR support at launch?
What I am getting here is a question those of you with more experience with VR, how does direct 1st person movement fare in current-generation VR devices? Is it possible, that FD, just like so many other devs, just hasn't found the proper way of making walking movement in VR feel good enough, so they are because of that reluctant to promise a VR support at launch?
Was was this?
The only thing I can say with any certainty in all this is that this is not even remotely true. I can guarantee you it would have been the same, possibly even more acrimonious
Very likely. 1st person VR games generally are a pretty terrible experience. I want to be able to free motion walk around and be able to look around freely, but I also don't want to have to use touch controllers and I don't want to have to teleport around...that's a cheap compromise for the fact that full motion 1st person in VR can be very nausea inducing. It's why the best VR games at the moment are simulator games where you pilot something you sit in. Which I have to say that adding things such as audio transducers and motion control platforms fills out the rest of the senses needed to completely reduce nausea. But of course that's not something the average person can afford or is willing to do, but I think most VR and simulation enthusiasts tend to ramp up their rigs over time anyway.
EDIT: Of course FDev said they were going to look at making the game client capable of supplying telemetry data which can be used with motion platforms 3 to 4 years ago and have never delivered on that. And there are a ton of sims, both flight and racing, that do.
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PavlovVR and Onward are amazing actually. You don't get to walk around naturally (most likely unless you are walking outdoors), but it works intuitively, smoothly, without nausea, and enables a degree of performance comparable to or beyond what can be achieved by top players in desktop first person shooters.
HL Alyx is not the best example due to slow thumbstick motion (unless I am missing a configuration override), but it does show that both thumbstick and teleport motion can be mixed (which is great for simpits).
Then again, I just realized. Who really needs combat performance for spacelegs. We simpit users are already sitting in front of a keyboard/mouse, so just let us stay in VR.
I think I agree with you. We are capable of making it work for ourselves in some way.
Oh, I have VR. I have a Pimax 5K+ which is bigger the all the other available VR solutions. But I also play on my monitor when doing a short game session and I still have fun, that's how I know I can live without it, and will get the expansion if I like what I see.I told my girlfriend, who I have given my 2nd alt account, about no VR.
Her reaction, "That's crazy! How are you meant to play it??"
Made me laugh anyway.
I have a pj. It's massive. Crunchy 5.1 too.
It's still rubbish compared to VR. It's just a bigger TV.
If you haven't got VR though, it's MUCH bigger than a TV! Love playing Total War: Warhammer 2 on it.
Just to play devils advocate here, how many of you can do a full 360 turn while playing the game? When flying a ship or driving a ground car, turning is a bit different, as it's your vehicle making the turn, while you in stay stationary in relation to the turn. With direct 1st person movement, with mouse and all, I can see there being several problems when it comes to moving, not only your head but the mouse as well, when the point of view is competitively moved by two methods. And when you are on foot, turning quickly around is a thing you'd have to do quite often.
But, again, I don't really play VR games, so I have no idea if someone has already tried something like this with a success.
But, again, I don't really play VR games, so I have no idea if someone has already tried something like this with a success.
Exactly this is done in PavlovVR and Onward, and it works well. For combat performance, physically turning one's real body is quicker, but the thumbstick turn controls work just as well. Thumbstick forward/back is obviously necessary due to room size limitations.
It doesn't make experienced VR users sick if that's what you're thinking.
It doesn't make experienced VR users sick if that's what you're thinking.
You basically have to use a controller or mouse/keyboard and only use the VR head set for your head which is generally how it's done anyway.
I use the thumb sticks in a game called Gorn to move and turn. Let's face it, you cannot physically move very far with a VR headset on, one because you are tethered to the computer and 2 because it's dangerous. So until we have holodecks from Star Trek we're kind of stuck, but we the game players should be allowed to decide how we play the game in VR.
Not my experience at all. Half Life Alyx (VR only, their devs got it right) just shows what can be done, its really very good.
Not 1st person but VR ED is a like a different game (way better IMHO), DCS in VR is also incredibly good.
I'll be voting with my wallet, as it stands Odyssey gets a no buy from me.
Exactly. The biggest issue is your brain. When you are in VR and the world around you feels real and your character in game moves and your own physical body does not...that's what causes the nausea so you either have to train yourself to get over it or just not do it or use the teleporting method of movement (I just don't like that as I feel ruins the experience and the point of VR)
I can only disagree. Five minutes of digging around the forums:
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