Elite Dangerous: Odyssey Questions and Answers

[thistle]

That's the problem - I don't want to BELIEVE in things, I just want to have a clear answer. Seriously - I'll buy Odyssey no mater what, but again - this is a question I'd totally ask if I was given a chance.

Just going back to the Piers Jackson comment:

"With the new settlements, we're also having to add a whole pile of new gameplay areas across the universe. Some of those will be deployed onto planets without atmospheres that players are currently able to explore, and others will appear on our new thin atmosphere planets."

The comment is referring to new settlements, some on existing planets without atmospheres, some on new thin atmosphere planets. How else other than walking on existing non atmosphere planets can you take this comment? It's not referring to stations but settlements.

 

[thistle]

So, again: why are they reluctant to answer this simple question:

Will a Horizons user on a SRV be able to meet an Odyssey user on foot on a planet with no atmosphere?

We are looking at this at the moment - more to follow soon.

I mean - there isn't a simpler question, isn't it?

The question isn't "Will we get to walk on Horizons planets in Odyssey".

It's a simple question, not the one you are asking or want the answer to somehow relate to.

 

[BartTP]

Whether or not you play Horizons or play the base-game, it doesn't matter. Everyone has the same assets for models, sounds, you name it, loaded on their PC. Horizons could be considered like a key to the door, without the key you can see the door and it's physically there, but you can't open it.

And yes, I know how it works. But things aren't as simple, i.e. Elite player sees landable planets as sprites and Horizons players as procedure generated worlds.
But it's more about work they need to put into the game if they want to make airless planets fully accesible to spacelegs players. For example - internals for Dav's Hope. Or those bases that were destroyed by Thargoids (eerie mist and stuff). I KNOW it's doable. But my question is: WILL they actually do it? At the launch of Odyssey I mean?

 

[Danieros]

So, again: why are they reluctant to answer this simple question:



I mean - there isn't a simpler question, isn't it?

You're overthinking on that question. It's related to meeting a player on legs without having Odyssey access yourself.

 

[BartTP]

Just going back to the Piers Jackson comment:
The comment is referring to new settlements, some on existing planets without atmospheres, some on new thin atmosphere planets. How else other than walking on existing non atmosphere planets can you take this comment? It's not referring to stations but settlements.

I'm not a native english speaker, but even I know it doesn't mean: "you can walk on airless planets".

You're overthinking on that question. It's related to meeting a player on legs without having Odyssey access yourself.

EXACTLY!

 

[thistle]

I'm not a native english speaker, but even I know it doesn't mean: "you can walk on airless planets".

How would we get in to the new settlements without walking? The settlements are different from space stations and planetary bases, where there won't be any combat. The settlements are where the new pve and pvp combat will happen, if Piers Jackson is saying the new settlements are on "planets without atmospheres that players are currently able to explore, and others will appear on our new thin atmosphere planets", that means we can walk and fight in current landable planets.

That's what he's saying.

 

[Kaocraft]

That seems almost like a no-brainer, and has been the same case for Horizons. If you own Horizons, you can see people in the base-game even if they don't own Horizons, and they can see you. They just can't access the content, but they can see all the Horizons assets in space, they can see your Holo-Me, and so forth. Seems obvious that a Horizon player can meet an Odyssey player in the same instance considering how combined arms is such a big aspect of the expansion.

I mean, this is a non-issue now, since there is ONLY Horizons, but when you played vanilla Elite, even after Horizons launched, you'd see the old planetary assets, not the Horizons ones. As for the Odyssey/Horizons split and something seeming like a no-brainer; without explicit confirmation from Frontier I don't think you can safely assume anything, because a lot of what we consider no-brainers are in fact "brainers" for them. There are a lot of things in Elite which seem like they would and should work a certain way, which do not work at all in the way most people would expect. And a lot of the disappointment with Horizons, and subsequent updates, had to do with the disconnect between what Frontier's marketing seems to obviously imply vs what is actually delivered. So no thanks I'm not gonna assume that just because X feature makes sense and Odyssey seems obviously unworkable without it, that X feature is in fact in the game.

 

[Kaocraft]

And yes, I know how it works. But things aren't as simple, i.e. Elite player sees landable planets as sprites and Horizons players as procedure generated worlds.
But it's more about work they need to put into the game if they want to make airless planets fully accesible to spacelegs players. For example - internals for Dav's Hope. Or those bases that were destroyed by Thargoids (eerie mist and stuff). I KNOW it's doable. But my question is: WILL they actually do it? At the launch of Odyssey I mean?

They don't have to do any of that to make it possible for you to walk around those areas, though. They don't have to make internals for anything. They don't have to let you access anything you couldn't already access before. All they actually "have" to do is let you run around those same assets as a little guy just like they let you drive around them in an SRV. It's very likely that this is all they will do for most of these locations, if in fact they let you access them on foot in the first place.

 

[Kaocraft]

How would we get in to the new settlements without walking? The settlements are different from space stations and planetary bases, where there won't be any combat. The settlements are where the new pve and pvp combat will happen, if Piers Jackson is saying the new settlements are on "planets without atmospheres that players are currently able to explore, and others will appear on our new thin atmosphere planets", that means we can walk and fight in current landable planets.

That's what he's saying.

Well y'know it could work exactly like space stations are probably going to work. You dock your ship at the landing pad and then when you select "get out" from the menu, it plops you into some kind of interior space. There's no reason to assume that you'll be able to walk up to every surface site, knock on the door, have it open, and then you walk through it. It's very much within the realm of reason that there could be various FPS arenas and "levels" of various types which you fly to and then "enter" through a menu option.

 

[Dutchman141]

No, seriously - we all are guessing here.

No we're not, you are though.

 

[BartTP]

You are wrong. I am not guessing ANYTHING - because I'm not assuming anything. All I'm saying is that FDev never confirmed that walking on the surface of airless planets will be possible. See the difference?

As for no-brainers and assumptions... I bet people were assuming that multicrew and wings will be compatibile, because why the hell not? Or carrier's cockpit. Or driving SRV in multicrew.

Seriously, you guys might be unpleasently suprised when Odyssey comes out.

 

[BartTP]

They don't have to do any of that to make it possible for you to walk around those areas, though. They don't have to make internals for anything. They don't have to let you access anything you couldn't already access before. All they actually "have" to do is let you run around those same assets as a little guy just like they let you drive around them in an SRV. It's very likely that this is all they will do for most of these locations, if in fact they let you access them on foot in the first place.

I know, BUT they'd probably have to give more details to those buildings, since you'd be watching them from a closer perspective. Yes, it may be as simple as SRV mode but on foot - but it may not, only devs know.

 

[Factabulous]

. All I'm saying is that FDev never confirmed that walking on the surface of airless planets will be possible

So you're wrong then, because that was confirmed

 

[BartTP]

So you're wrong then, because that was confirmed

Again - where? Do you have any source besides those inconclusive statements quoted here already?

 

[Factabulous]

Again - where? Do you have any source besides those inconclusive statements quoted here already?

Do your own research. You part-timers coming in here, ignoring what fdev post, jeez

 

[BartTP]

Do your own research. You part-timers coming in here, ignoring what fdev post, jeez

I did. Couldn't find any. Be a gentle soul and help erring cmdr.

 

[Skizomeuh]

You ask a question but look like you want a specific answer. And those provided don't fit your... Agenda?

I mean - there isn't a simpler question, isn't it?

Though here you hit an interesting spot. I'd say in those edge cases Horizon players won't be instanced with Odyssey players.

 

[BartTP]

You ask a question but look like you want a specific answer. And those provided don't fit your... Agenda?
Though here you hit an interesting spot. I'd say in those edge cases Horizon players won't be instanced with Odyssey players.

I don't have any agenda. I'm not an employee of Star Citizen developer, lol. I never played it nor I plan to.
Seriously, you people treat me as an enemy of some sort because I don't assume things you guys assume. Like I said, I'll buy Odyssey no matter what - EVEN if it's impossible to walk on airless planets (obviously I'd want to tho'). Again - I understand why people assume it will be possible, because it seems obvious - I assumed likewise, but when I looked into that matter more deeply, I concluded my assumption might be wrong. This is why I wanted this question to be asked.

 

[Skizomeuh]

I don't have any agenda. I'm not an employee of Star Citizen developer, lol. I never played it nor I plan to.

Funny you bring this to the conversation...

Again - I understand why people assume it will be possible, because it seems obvious - I assumed likewise, but when I looked into that matter more deeply, I concluded my assumption might be wrong. This is why I wanted this question to be asked.

I know where you come from: there's some precedents over how obvious assumptions turned into ED Yet apart from the Horizon/Odyssey playerbase mixing I don't get how can be concluded that "no spacelegs on airless" is to be feared.

 

[BartTP]

Funny you bring this to the conversation...
I know where you come from: there's some precedents over how obvious assumptions turned into ED Yet apart from the Horizon/Odyssey playerbase mixing I don't get how can be concluded that "no spacelegs on airless" is to be feared.

I mentioned SC because since the Odyssey was annouced, people are constantly comparing the two. I'd never hear about Star Citizen otherwise.
And I didn't say the problem was in playerbase mixing (because, like I said before, people on airless planets would basically play Horizons, NOT Odyssey) but in making old planets suitable for on-foot exploration. For example overhaul of old settlements. That's a lot of work I imagine and maybe FDev wants to focus on new planets.