ANNOUNCEMENT Elite Dangerous | Odyssey: Roadmap

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sallymorganmoore

Senior Community Manager : Elite Dangerous
Hi Sally, first thank you for being here on the forums we do appreciate you and your efforts to mitigate the fall out. if some one had posted on the launcher page nice and clear "PATCH DAY DEFERED / DELAYED TO ....date ...........Due to unexpected tech issues / time constraints or coding issues etcetera, whatever you want to put, then most of the grumbling including mine could have been avoided. Folks appreciate clear upfront notices. the launch page is one way to notify us. so that as the launcher shows on screen its there Nice and Clear.

Entirely taken onboard. I can only really say it's been massively acknowledged at this point I'm afraid - I'd love to rewind time for you guys. Using the launcher is absolutely a great call. It would need a little rework due to the way formatting is and how "feeds work" and "where they work from" within it. We don't just change text and "it just works" but I agree, great use of the launcher for important news which we can absolutely talk more about working on. Thank you so much.
 
Entirely taken onboard. I can only really say it's been massively acknowledged at this point I'm afraid - I'd love to rewind time for you guys. Using the launcher is absolutely a great call. It would need a little rework due to the way formatting is and how "feeds work" and "where they work from" within it. We don't just change text and "it just works" but I agree, great use of the launcher for important news which we can absolutely talk more about working on. Thank you so much.
Thank you Sally!


I do have to ask, however, as to why this idea has not popped into the minds of anyone except the players. I cannot think of any popular game that has a launcher that does not have some sort of patch/hotfix live-updated section within the launcher. It's pretty basic UI design for launchers nowadays.

Nonetheless, thank you for the update and I really hope this becomes a very useful feature for the playerbase.
 
The fact that the correction was postponed is a good thing. But can we know the list of fixes that was planned for the 24th date, so that we can compare it with the new list?
We fix stupf, make it go faster...
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@sallymorganmoore will the invisible rocks and VR DSS be fixed in patch 5?
I parked my SRV and disembarked, come back to it and it's sitting on an invisible rock and I cannot enter, even by jumping on the SRV (it's enter window seems really small). I had to take off in my ship and fly two metres off dirtside to knock it off the rock so I could get back into it :)
 

sallymorganmoore

Senior Community Manager : Elite Dangerous
Its gotten to 'brass tacks' time really, for me as well as the Powerplay groups that have soldiered on dealing with exploits and issues over the years. What they want is concrete answers now because the feature has been shuffled to the back over and over for years- FD have this funny habit of only giving time to popular features- but, unless you give some dev attention to a feature its never going to be given the chance to gain popularity either. You would think at some point Powerplay would make its way to the front- its almost as if FD want Powerplay to die. If thats the case tell people, give them honesty so they can move on.

Powerplay is unique in that it relies on large groups of dedicated players to keep it 'alive'. Please for once give them some respect and attention they deserve, since they are the forgotten children of the game.

I don't think a community as passionate and dedicated as ours would "move on", even if we did ever say we wanted Powerplay to die. We don't want anything to die, not Powerplay, not anything.
We certainly respect everyone wanting to have the best experience possible with the game, whilst making steps to gain back trust lost from any areas needing further attention and improvement.
I can only really say so much of this same kind of thing of course. The same way players can only really believe what they're presented with, at the end of the day.

Ultimately, we are massively invested in all feedback right here and now, and we'll do what we can within our power to make movements in all things precious to players.
 
I don't think a community as passionate and dedicated as ours would "move on", even if we did ever say we wanted Powerplay to die. We don't want anything to die, not Powerplay, not anything.
We certainly respect everyone wanting to have the best experience possible with the game, whilst making steps to gain back trust lost from any areas needing further attention and improvement.
I can only really say so much of this same kind of thing of course. The same way players can only really believe what they're presented with, at the end of the day.

Ultimately, we are massively invested in all feedback right here and now, and we'll do what we can within our power to make movements in all things precious to players.
You know that after 6 years being ignored, then promised the world, then ignored again, your words sound a lot like the usual "corporate answer", right?

There's a thin line between "we do not want it to die" and "...but we want keep it as broken as it is".

I saw many great players leave in the last six years because how much Powerplay was broken and how we as players have been completely fooled.

And that's even worse than "killing" something.
 

sallymorganmoore

Senior Community Manager : Elite Dangerous
You know that after 6 years being ignored, then promised the world, then ignored again, your words sound a lot like the usual "corporate answer", right?

There's a thin line between "we do not want it to die" and "...but we want keep it as broken as it is".

I saw many great players leave in the last six years because how much Powerplay was broken and how we as players have been completely fooled.

And that's even worse than "killing" something.

I'll leave it at that for now then, Commander . I do read you. I just thought I'd share a little too, is all.
As always, to all of you, thanks for the honesty o7
 
Wich is why basically no one will ever believe Fdev on anything anymore until we see promises FULLY delivered. And even after they got delivered, Costumers will now be WAY more careful and hesitant in buying your products. If they now buy anything at all from Frontier.

After ED, I know I’m certainly never touching another Frontier product with a 10-foot pole.
 
They posted it in a thread that was not necessarily related to the Roadmap itself.
Something named Community Schedule bears little resemblance to the roadmap and a very very important patch.

“But the plans were on display…”
“On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.”
“That’s the display department.”
“With a flashlight.”
“Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.”
“So had the stairs.”
“But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?”
“Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.”
- Douglas Adams

"Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence",

However a large enough body of unrealted or repeated incompetance can start to look an an awful lot like organised malice.
 
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I don't think a community as passionate and dedicated as ours would "move on", even if we did ever say we wanted Powerplay to die.
Don't bet on that, a lot of the old guard are already leaving, hell, even I'm on the cusp of quitting because of the the VR players are being thrown under a bus.
We don't want anything to die, not Powerplay, not anything.
Sally, as much as I genuinely do like you, I've got to ask, have you ever heard of VR, or seen the way that VR has been at best, in the kindest words I can possibly muster, been put out to pasture?
We certainly respect everyone wanting to have the best experience possible with the game, whilst making steps to gain back trust lost from any areas needing further attention and improvement.
I've recently spearheaded a popular campaign asking for Frontier to commit to improving VR in Odyssey as a milestone later on the roadmap, which despite having ~200 supporters when the mods removed the "petition", and since gaining about 200 "likes" on the opening page, that plea was ignored. The "roadmap" we got is what you're currently dealing with the communities reaction to, the less I say about the "roadmap" the less likely I am to get another two week forum ban. [don't ask unless by PM]

After this roadmap dropped, some VR players took to badgering the CM's in the streams about VR, eventually Arf said he'd get Bruce G to make a thread asking for VR questions, and he'd get us answers in a week or so's time. That thread never materialised; instead we curated a list of questions and despite numerous @ CM pings in the main thread in those posts, we continued to be ignored. not even the courtesy of a "thanks we'll pass this on", radio silence.

A week later Bruce G announced at the start of the stream what can only be surmised as "VR? LOL! NO!"

That stream didn't go so well, and Arf ended up jumping in, and he was asked to find out about any plans for VR after the roadmap, and or ask for such plans to be made, he said he'd ask the question, and there has been no more information on VR since then.
I can only really say so much of this same kind of thing of course.
I don't envy your position, as a customer trying to take a holistic view of the situation it strikes me you guys in the CM team aren't being given much to work with and are thrown in front of a baying mob with little more than permission to use vague platitudes to defend the company with. For the record, I feel no CM or other company should ever have to defend themselves, and I will stomp all over anyone I see crossing that line. However, the policies and decisions that are made by the company are in my opinion fair game.
The same way players can only really believe what they're presented with, at the end of the day.
I do genuinely like you Sally, and I was delighted to see you return, however I can reliably inform you that the VR community are rapidly falling out of love with Frontier, based on what we see and how we are being treated.
Ultimately, we are massively invested in all feedback right here and now, and we'll do what we can within our power to make movements in all things precious to players.
So, are you speaking as the face of frontier, or as a CM there? If it's as a CM, I still have some faith in the CM's, particularly you and Arthur, if it's as the face of Frontier, hold my beer....

I'm Addressing the company here, and in particular it's decision makers, picking up on the word "feedback", as a customer who has spent four figures in the store during my five years of Elite, and a fairly active member of the community, I can categorically tell you that it is generally perceived that our comments and feedback are plainly, blankly ignored. Case in point, Alpha, we paid extra to alpha test your product for you, and at the end of it we were SCREAMING "This isn't ready, nowhere [expletive] near it!" - Yet it was launched regardless of the company's massive investment in our feedback, and we seen how well that went...

As a VR player, this perceived obstinance only makes the VR situation even worse, since VR has in corpo-speak been described in terms that mean "it's essentially deprecated now", and as there is no acknowledgement of our feedback, in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, the VR community genuinely do not believe frontier gives more than a rats rectum about us.

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You know what? Despite the whole 'Odyssey launch is (still) a bit of a dumpster fire / community is in uproar' thing - I'd just like to thank the CM's for sticking with it - you've been stars in the face of some quite strong negativity, well done. I'd also like to commend the whole community for not doing what I've seen some other places do and making personal attacks at the CMs, but instead levelling blame exactly where it belongs - at those that called the decision for the early release / too short alpha.

This is the way.
 
You know what? Despite the whole 'Odyssey launch is (still) a bit of a dumpster fire / community is in uproar' thing - I'd just like to thank the CM's for sticking with it - you've been stars in the face of some quite strong negativity, well done. I'd also like to commend the whole community for not doing what I've seen some other places do and making personal attacks at the CMs, but instead levelling blame exactly where it belongs - at those that called the decision for the early release / too short alpha.

This is the way.
indeed tis more that we care a lot about the game, as you all surely do, and want things to be put right
 
The old chestnuts multicrew, powerplay,bgs,piracy,smuggling, desperately needed fixes, are fundamental in undermining anything devs say. CMs aside, the history of these horrible bugs and their still not fixed means we vr gamers and pancakes and consoliers are a tad skeptical about any pending patches content fixes etc.
I wish it were otherwise. Legacy bugs of this magnitude should have been addressed years ago.
 

sallymorganmoore

Senior Community Manager : Elite Dangerous
Don't bet on that, a lot of the old guard are already leaving, hell, even I'm on the cusp of quitting because of the the VR players are being thrown under a bus.
Sorry I meant more of a case of "move on" with "letting the decision slide". Many players are so rightly passionate about the game that a decision to discontinue something would never just be "moved on" from that easily. I must have misunderstood what the OP meant by "move on", sorry about that.

Sally, as much as I genuinely do like you, I've got to ask, have you ever heard of VR, or seen the way that VR has been at best, in the kindest words I can possibly muster, been put out to pasture?
I've worked on the game since 2016 (and in the industry since 2007 - still a baby compared to many, but yeah) so I can definitely confirm that I've heard of VR, especially for Elite Dangerous: Horizons.

In regards to all of your thoughts and concerns about VR in your response to my reply, I would only be echoing the communication Arthur has previously had with you all, on the current situation at this point. It doesn't mean to say we don't care, but naturally you do feel frustrated by things and I am entirely going to 'listen (read)'. Always.

So, are you speaking as the face of frontier, or as a CM there? If it's as a CM, I still have some faith in the CM's, particularly you and Arthur, if it's as the face of Frontier, hold my beer....
As a CM. I can't and never speak on behalf of the company. That's not my place.
 
I'll leave it at that for now then, Commander . I do read you. I just thought I'd share a little too, is all.
As always, to all of you, thanks for the honesty o7
Sally:

I've got three suggestions that could help:

Put someone (CM) full time on just the official forums alone. Fire department. :)

When live streaming, the CM's should press Control-F, and display their framerates in-game. Showing the number of concurrent players could help, too.

Get me, or someone who does tutorials, to Give Zac some flying lessons. :)
 
I'm a VR user, but not obviously part of the "VR community" as I don't consider I'm being thrown under a bus...
I just thought I'd make that clear. 🤷‍♂️

(although having some of the issues 'fixed' in Odyssey would make me very happy!)
 
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