sallymorganmoore
Senior Community Manager : Elite Dangerous
Do you know what? I really, massively appreciate this. You didn't need to say it at all, but you did, and I'm massively grateful. Thanks so much.
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Do you know what? I really, massively appreciate this. You didn't need to say it at all, but you did, and I'm massively grateful. Thanks so much.
Love the bus thing...
Good analogy always a favourite. And indeed yes alot of us do feel just that.
Personally since acquiring the vr bug, I've spent a fortune.
Truly..
My partner thinks I'm mad!
I'm a lifelong computer gamer.
But I've not picked up another title since 2019 when I caught this infernal bug.
VR is the future of fly sim gaming. No question of that. Only have to see the titles in production atm to realise vr is absolutely here to stay.
So why throw it under a bus.
I'll say this. As edo stands (bugs and lag aside) I like the vr we have. It'll do. Could be improved upon. And even options for full vr on foot.
Just doesn't make sense to kill the future of flight & space sim gaming
Good analogy always a favourite. And indeed yes alot of us do feel just that.
Personally since acquiring the vr bug, I've spent a fortune.
Truly..
My partner thinks I'm mad!
I'm a lifelong computer gamer.
But I've not picked up another title since 2019 when I caught this infernal bug.
VR is the future of fly sim gaming. No question of that. Only have to see the titles in production atm to realise vr is absolutely here to stay.
So why throw it under a bus.
I'll say this. As edo stands (bugs and lag aside) I like the vr we have. It'll do. Could be improved upon. And even options for full vr on foot.
Just doesn't make sense to kill the future of flight & space sim gaming
sallymorganmoore
Senior Community Manager : Elite Dangerous
Put someone (CM) full time on just the official forums alone. Fire department.
That's me! Today! We have a rota actually. One CM on the forums, all day for one of the week (I'm Thursday). It's been really beneficial so far!
The VR players are the worst complainers. There are many games that have no VR and these guys swamp the forum because part of ED is not in VR. It's absurd. They're a tiny part of the audience.
Not me...
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If you don't want Powerplay to die like it has, start giving it some love. If you want ED to have long term value, then value the features that provide that.
I know you are a middle person in all this, but FD frankly pulled an Odyssey with Powerplay and never made good on that launch failure, and FD need to stop sending half finished features out to die.
For a while FD got it spot on with really close engagement with Power groups, even going as far as to have a Discord with devs to iron out problems / ideas. Then it just stopped, and went to nothing. When Powerplay breaking bugs appeared, it took immense badgering to get them fixed, and even then it took weeks (while months of player work went up in smoke). All this time the dedicated players who kept groups running, organising Discords and Reddits (who might even get to play once in a while) just felt abandoned and left- the very people who gave Powerplay its energy and coherence.
I don't think for a second you are not invested in feedback, even though it took the nuclear fireball that was Odysseys launch to trigger it, its commendable what you are doing and I hope it continues. Saying that, FD have had tons of feedback from features and it went nowhere- Powerplay has had two flash topics (totalling about 120 ish pages), not to mention about thirty more from other focused feedback.
Hate Powerplay? Tell FD, and ask for Powerplay Focussed Feedback to express your ideas for change
Mods: please keep this in General Discussion, as its intended for the wider player base and not existing Powerplay players. I'll be blunt, Powerplay is not what a lot of people like doing. The grind, hard to understand mechanics and glacial pace have put off many. After all these years...
Powerplay - Collusion Piracy and More
Hello Commanders! There's been quite a lot of interesting discussion about "collusion piracy", and I'd just like to throw some more thoughts into the pot. For clarity, collusion piracy is when Commanders intentionally let fortification commodities be taken by opposing powers in order to...
That to me is enough, and this was three years ago (and more in some cases).
I think this is a bit harsh of a stance to take and I can't compute how you could write something like this in earnest. How it makes sense to you that VR was implemented into the game seamlessly and now it only half works with half of the game, just boggles my mind. I don't have VR myself, but I can understand why someone who does would have a gripe with a game having support for a component but then dropping that support with no content without some form of middle ground. VR and Elite go so well. It's one of the few games/genres where VR implementation just works wonderfully.
The immersion it provides is like nothing else. And even if they are a tiny part of the audience, they're allowed to have a voice. Elite was practically made for VR. Your statement that other games have no VR doesn't even make sense in this matter because Elite does have VR. It's not like they're asking for it to be implemented altogether as if the game didn't have it. They want it to be continually supported as it was before.
This is such a nasty opinion to have. I don't get it.
Hi Sally, Thanks for getting back to me so quickly, especially so late in the day / early evening - it's certainly out of "office hours". I genuinely wasn't sure if my last post was too sarcy to get answered or not, and the "have you heard of VR" was utterly sarcastic, meant to epitomise how laconic lamentful low ebb the VR community's morale is just now. As I'm sure you can tell from the tone of my last message, I, like a lot of VR players, am rapidly running out of good will for the company.
Powerplay is the perfect example about what is wrong with Elite Dangerous right now.
It should have been the MMO side of the gameand it's been reduced to another useless grindy mechanic, where conflict between players is considered as something not really wanted so extremely unbalanced.
But the same could be said for the game as a whole.
We've been asking since years for better missions.
A more balanced BGS.
A more balanced Powerplay.
For engineering to be less "necessary" and grindy.
We've been given more materials to grind. More unbalancement (with the new engineers to cover the god rolls). Even simpler missions. A BGS more and more buggy and unbalanced.
You've been keeping adding stuff to the game, disconnected one from another and now the game seems to have reached a point of no return.
It's not (just) the botched Odyssey release, that was just the catalyst for all the discontent your players suffered.
But you kept just listening to that part of the player base that was interested in just the aesthetics, and for the game to become even more accessible for everybody, because balancement as it used to be in the first Elite Dangerous made it more difficult, the growing curve for personal achievements was "too slow" for the many MANY casuals that dropped the game after they grinded everything they had to grind.
The game is dying. Mostly because there's plenty of things to do but there's no reason to keep doing them, once you have tried everything you go to another game.
Is that what FDev really want? New customers? Or do you want for your customers to stay? This game is a MMO, dammit.
It should have been the MMO side of the gameand it's been reduced to another useless grindy mechanic, where conflict between players is considered as something not really wanted so extremely unbalanced.
But the same could be said for the game as a whole.
We've been asking since years for better missions.
A more balanced BGS.
A more balanced Powerplay.
For engineering to be less "necessary" and grindy.
We've been given more materials to grind. More unbalancement (with the new engineers to cover the god rolls). Even simpler missions. A BGS more and more buggy and unbalanced.
You've been keeping adding stuff to the game, disconnected one from another and now the game seems to have reached a point of no return.
It's not (just) the botched Odyssey release, that was just the catalyst for all the discontent your players suffered.
But you kept just listening to that part of the player base that was interested in just the aesthetics, and for the game to become even more accessible for everybody, because balancement as it used to be in the first Elite Dangerous made it more difficult, the growing curve for personal achievements was "too slow" for the many MANY casuals that dropped the game after they grinded everything they had to grind.
The game is dying. Mostly because there's plenty of things to do but there's no reason to keep doing them, once you have tried everything you go to another game.
Is that what FDev really want? New customers? Or do you want for your customers to stay? This game is a MMO, dammit.
There's no absurdity about it. I think it's pretty normal to expect that an dlc comes with the same vr support the main game comes with (Why would it not? It's like your main game has mouse support but the dlc could only be played with a keyboard). My understanding is it was - and I state it as intentionally - given the impression that VR for Odyssey will be implemented and that this flatscreen is only temporary. They could have at least offered a refund to vr owners who preordered (and "alpha"-tested the game).
Personally I have no interest at all in VR, never had and probably never will but I find the whole treatment of VR-players in that situation even more pitiful than the treatment of selling a beta version / early access as a full version.
People probably bought ED because it has VR and is / was one of the pc games that had great VR support almost to an extent where you could call it an especially made for VR title. Being pleading edge for vr is imho a great marketing opportunity / matter of prestige exactly because there aren't (weren't) that much quality titles.
In case you hadn’t noticed we are all a minority of 1 in this world ..
About the same installed user base as 4k screens according to the Steam Hardware Survey stats.
So, are you saying FDev should also kill support for resolutions higher than 1080x1920?
@sallymorganmoore Kalimotxo for everyone. Add it to the roadmap, I'll pay. xD
Thanks for taking the time to defend our position and stick up for us o7 Frontier used too actually market Elite as being "Designed from the ground up to support Virtual Reality"...
As for the supposedly temporary nature of the current VR implementation, this post that i'm about to quote surmises it brilliantly.
See? I didn't even know that you are a VR player. Probably because you don't tell me all day how superior you are compared to pancake peasants like me.
You don't even have a VR tag on the forums!
The thing is VR players had to invest a lot money in our VR rigs for the sole purpose of playing Elite Dangerous in said VR. You should try it, you'd never want to play in 2D ever again.
What on earth did you do to deserve that Sally? Must have been something pretty bad ... did you paint David's Hummer pink?
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