Let's just say it's wrong and not done from a good life .... you probably wouldn't understand.
And I can hardly imagine piping oil to another planet, to another system.
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And I can hardly imagine piping oil to another planet, to another system.
The most important thing to remember here:
"It's Just A Game." It's not a 100% realism simulator.
DW3 - building an outpost in less than a minute. 
Source: https://youtu.be/A-hNWYyAJ1A?si=23uRnfOyJNogCs23&t=209
Since a "Refinery" in 3311 consumes many different imports, and none of these are fossil products; and it also produces many things which are not petrochemical products - in fact a lot of the output is metals - I am not sure what your complaint is here.
Even allowing for translators picking a slightly wrong word, the Galactic economy is explicitly hydrogen based and all of the assets are shown to have extensive solar energy items. I don't understand why you would be even slightly worried about outmoded technologies like Earth's long-gone petrochemical industry.
In scientific English, "Refining" is the process in metallurgy for producing usable metals.
And finally, moving oil from orbit to orbit is quite possibly easier than moving it from one side of a planet-spanning ocean to the other...
I live in a town with three huge oil refinery complexes, a chemical complex, a copper plant...
The local water can explain much of my deficiencies.
This is what us solo people are up against.DW3 - building an outpost in less than a minute.
Source: https://youtu.be/A-hNWYyAJ1A?si=23uRnfOyJNogCs23&t=209
I don't understand it. Why? It is cool that groups of players do the heavy lifting (pun intended) and we get a station. What's the point in doing it as a solo player when the station is accessible for the entire player base?
DW3 - building an outpost in less than a minute.
Source: https://youtu.be/A-hNWYyAJ1A?si=23uRnfOyJNogCs23&t=209
Absolutely bonkers.
GG.
I don't think another large ship would save us from this situation. There will always be too little of something and there will always be calls for an even bigger ship. What we need is a method of delivering goods to the construction site, npc subcontractors, which are basically a process happening in the background with progress bars - for a fee of course. Something that would take the horse collar off the player to make mindless T9 trips back and forth.
Also why not revisit the scrapped idea of ships accompanying the fleet carrier, which were supposed to improve its functions, in this case the ability to build space stations and preferably outside the designated 15ly distance, thus getting rid of those daisy chains of useless outposts.
Also why not revisit the scrapped idea of ships accompanying the fleet carrier, which were supposed to improve its functions, in this case the ability to build space stations and preferably outside the designated 15ly distance, thus getting rid of those daisy chains of useless outposts.
Yup, this is what ive been saying, we may hold the title of "architect" but it feels like a minimum wage soul draining corporate drone, and not in the fun, engaging way like hardspace shipbreaker, its more like in the "as soon as im done claiming this system, im checking out the infested boybands of warframe". Cashing in on awful game design by selling a bigger spaceship would put this game on predatory p2w mobile game tier, and deservedly get review bombed.
Really ought to make the "architect" title meaninful, in the sense that you are responsible for gathering help from factions, framed as "investments" and "support", getting them to send resources from their markets to your construction, so long as you help em with something or other. Really be able to do anything else than hauling anywhere where there is an economy already built.
This means that there is also a reward to building an economy somewhere, the promise of an eventual release from hauling, as a functioning economy can also now provide assistance to construction projects, so long as you can gather their support. Because right now, my "reward" for investing into a system is more hauling so that i can continue developing it.... I do wonder what the game design document for this update was... Because while being able to build into the BGS is super cool, the gameplay of it is worthless as it stands.
The current colonization mechanics punish the solo player and small player groups (casual).
I propose
Tier 3 projects should grow 3% per day 33 days to complete
Tier 2 projects should grow 5% per day 20 days to complete
Tier 1 projects should grow 10% per day 10 days to complete
Would this really be so bad? You do abit of hauling,then you do something else.
The excuse of "colonization has to be hard, it has to take time" is silly with big player groups building a station in minutes.
I propose
Tier 3 projects should grow 3% per day 33 days to complete
Tier 2 projects should grow 5% per day 20 days to complete
Tier 1 projects should grow 10% per day 10 days to complete
Would this really be so bad? You do abit of hauling,then you do something else.
The excuse of "colonization has to be hard, it has to take time" is silly with big player groups building a station in minutes.
My extraction surface settlement (T1 I think with a medium pad) produces copper and Aluminium is this normal?
It's been 9 days since i started my Orbis and I'm about to finish it in the next few hours (not playing every day- family, etc). That's almost 3 weeks earlier than the deadline.
Yes, I'm building solo a large Tier 3 starport, and it's also a Primary Port, so the amount of hauling is even greater (~250.000 commodities).
The thing is, after you finish building one, you really, really don't want to build another one, at least in this lifetime. The FDev went really , really wrong with this, because instead of making the game more addictive, it's actually more annoying. This is how you lose players in the long-term.
My proposal: make it so at the beginning of every construction players will have to make a selection: solo or group building.
Keep the high amount of necessary commodities for players that are playing in a group.
For solo players don't allow anyone else to dock at the colonization ship/ construction site, but decrease a lot the required commodities.
Yes, I'm building solo a large Tier 3 starport, and it's also a Primary Port, so the amount of hauling is even greater (~250.000 commodities).
The thing is, after you finish building one, you really, really don't want to build another one, at least in this lifetime. The FDev went really , really wrong with this, because instead of making the game more addictive, it's actually more annoying. This is how you lose players in the long-term.
My proposal: make it so at the beginning of every construction players will have to make a selection: solo or group building.
Keep the high amount of necessary commodities for players that are playing in a group.
For solo players don't allow anyone else to dock at the colonization ship/ construction site, but decrease a lot the required commodities.
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Trailblazer Song -Orgen system seems to be completely out of commodities, have reset filters, exited to main menu, changed to solo then restarted the game.
Is anyone else seeing this or just some new fresh hell for me personally?
Is anyone else seeing this or just some new fresh hell for me personally?
Groups can do things, and I get that. It's the absurdity of the scale.
My suggestions would be:
1) Let locations other than the main station sell more than 3 items at a time.
2) Expand the system's architect screen to not just show the progress of the 10 building goal, but also current Wealth, Standard of Living, Development, and Tech level.
3) Be more transparent about what each stat does.
4) Give more rewards or perks at higher stat levels or number of installations. Examples: Let us pick a particular commodity for a station to produce, a single free station renaming, system renaming.
5) Put some indicator next to the huge ports (like the blue circle group icon you use for group missions) to indicate they aren't intended for solo players. Maybe a warning as well that they are doing this the hard way. How many try those group missions alone and complain they're too hard?
6) As you establish commodity production in your system, those commodities you produce a lot of get auto delivered to in system projects and decrease the requirement amount for those goods.
1) Let locations other than the main station sell more than 3 items at a time.
2) Expand the system's architect screen to not just show the progress of the 10 building goal, but also current Wealth, Standard of Living, Development, and Tech level.
3) Be more transparent about what each stat does.
4) Give more rewards or perks at higher stat levels or number of installations. Examples: Let us pick a particular commodity for a station to produce, a single free station renaming, system renaming.
5) Put some indicator next to the huge ports (like the blue circle group icon you use for group missions) to indicate they aren't intended for solo players. Maybe a warning as well that they are doing this the hard way. How many try those group missions alone and complain they're too hard?
6) As you establish commodity production in your system, those commodities you produce a lot of get auto delivered to in system projects and decrease the requirement amount for those goods.
I'm hearing that outputs may be more if there's an extraction hub as well (wondering if that's because extractions can get the minerals to the refineries, which can contribute towards the starport).
What many (not including me) expected from colonisation and wanted to have is a 'base builder' expansion. That is, of course much harder to implement and I'd expect it would be a paid DLC.
Depends which outputs and where you put the extraction hub. It's a bit more abstract than "minerals become metals" (as starts to become more obvious when you get into things like industrial exports or agricultural imports where there's really no clean chain of cause and effect like there is for Bauxite -> Aluminium).
Regardless of where you put it, the Extraction Hub will add 10 Wealth and 2 Development Level to your system. Especially if those stats were low to start with, that can provide a significant boost to production at every port in your system, including your refinery.
If you put it on the same planet, you'll add an Extraction fraction to your Refinery economy.
- Gold and Silver production, since both Extraction and Refinery export those, is likely to increase
- other metal production isn't likely to be affected except by the global Wealth/Development effect
- explosives production will probably fall (since the Extraction side will immediately consume a lot of the Refinery's production)
- you probably won't get many ores available for direct export (since the Refinery will consume them)
In general if you want to maximise production and you have sufficient space, putting each economy on its own planet/moon will do that best (and also give you more capacity to import commodities, which will keep your import prices more attractive too). If you only had one landable planet, though, an Extraction/Refinery hybrid economy is one of the better ones (especially as compared with something like Refinery/Industrial where both sides of the economy consume each other's output, leaving much less available for the markets)