Okay, but I didn't attempt to quantify the crap.
Did I suggest they should?
This sentence is so bizarre and irrelevant in the context of this discussion, it isn't even wrong.
Elite Dangerous Update 7 Progress
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It is curious that something positive (additional urgent bugfix) delaying something we only had a time window on (so may only be delayed by a working day or two, in truth) has received so much negativity from some.
Surely, every serious bug that is being addressed is a good thing? We have been told to not expect any significant performance gains until at least Update 8 so waiting a few days and getting a bug that affects CGs (for those who play in them - I rarely do, but appreciate the 'fix' being included) negatively fixed makes sense.
Surely, every serious bug that is being addressed is a good thing? We have been told to not expect any significant performance gains until at least Update 8 so waiting a few days and getting a bug that affects CGs (for those who play in them - I rarely do, but appreciate the 'fix' being included) negatively fixed makes sense.
This is from my perspective from the new team of CMs:
I asked about Powerplay: no answer for one year
I asked again: no answer for about three months
I ask about one C+P issue in a PP bonus- that was nearly six weeks ago.
At no point has any question had an answer.
I've pinged the CMs in my replies about four times. I've waited (along with a lot of others) years (over six yo be exact) and its all one way. How else can people prod FD, when its all talk and nothing else? You be respectful but its just building up frustration because so called 'roadmaps' are just covering the near term.
But dear boy Powerplay is complex
Yes I know, but it does not stop talking about the direction you want to go in and work out issues at the conceptual level.
I asked about Powerplay: no answer for one year
I asked again: no answer for about three months
I ask about one C+P issue in a PP bonus- that was nearly six weeks ago.
At no point has any question had an answer.
I've pinged the CMs in my replies about four times. I've waited (along with a lot of others) years (over six yo be exact) and its all one way. How else can people prod FD, when its all talk and nothing else? You be respectful but its just building up frustration because so called 'roadmaps' are just covering the near term.
But dear boy Powerplay is complex
Yes I know, but it does not stop talking about the direction you want to go in and work out issues at the conceptual level.
And people wonder where the frustration comes from. I believe there are a lot here who have been exremely patient. Others have just left the game entirely and said nothing. Our groups have been really badly hit through player numbers just giving up hope. It's not fun anymore for a lot but for even more they were hoping on what was coming in the future until they finally gave up hope and said "Enough". It'll only be actions that will bring them back if at all.
Its better communication for some but for the rest its pretty dismal. The CMs can only tell us what they are allowed to, but its this void which is the problem because it leaves the impression FD simply don't know themselves where its going.
I'm really torn about this because at the outset of the Odyssey mess I advocated for Frontier to do a Hello Games and just head down and fix everything one by one.. fulfill your customer requests and they will come back to you..
However I'm also really pleased when they communicate what they are doing..Are they looking at Powerplay or have they already decided they aren't going to touch it until they have fixed X,Y and Z? Who knows really but time will be their judge. The constant fixes and player requests being fulfilled in that other games has heaped praise back on the shoulders of the once derided company.
Most have no idea how complex and diverse "development" is. There are lone "indie" programmers who create games and they do everything alone (engine coding, game logic, modelling, graphics programming, animations, design, writing, testing, support etc.). Thus, they give the false image that a single "type" of worker is enough. But of course it's not that way when you scale up, and do things bigger. Then there is the problem of diminishing returns and information scale due to too many involved (that is why single and very small teams are efficient up to a point).
I get that Frontier took the fix it slow and steady approach with EDO and I, personally, approve that. Many have left for the time being, but some of us are still here. This one week delay does not paint a picture of we do everything we can to make things right. You said you'll delay a medium sized patch because of a single new bug. Why not just hotfix it? It seems like you are giving us half the reasons only or just being lazy. I think it is the former but it doesn't look nice after all the promises. Hence people are asking you questions you don't want to be raised.
The problem is, FD have pretty much blown their own legs off, and are currently sewing them back on trying to stabilise EDO and get that back on track. They are (understandably) doing this, but its that "what then?" that the roadmap needs (and a lot of people thought) was going to address. But whats happened is the roadmap ends at the end of EDO.
Taking the original promises at face value we have fallen sooooo far behind that now I don't see us ever catching up!
At the beginning we are told, "yeah it's gonna be great, you can walk around inside your ships, we'll procedurally generate weather etc." Nowadays we are told "You're bloody lucky if we fix your game-breaking bug this year and you'll be thankful"
How far away are we from those original promises being fulfilled? Looks like a long way to me! And if they have changed it needs the man who made them to come out and publicly say he's changed them. I'd like to see David stand up and say either "Yes we still intend to make the game we always wanted but it's gonna take longer, including all the things like earth like worlds and water and clouds and animals and trees etc like other games are doing" or to say " Look we just can't keep that promise anymore, like with promising offline mode, our decision has been made to never bring this to fruition"
I want to hear from the horses mouth. It's his responsibility and the buck stops with him.
After what happened with EDO they are probably internally reassessing what they are able to do and what they are not. At the moment their internal roadmap probably isn't much more longer than "fix EDO"
And this is the first real failure of the new more open FD- for a lot of people its meaningless because they want to see existing features and whats in store for them. New ships, CQC, Powerplay, ranks, blueprint balance, mat balance....its a giant list that was ignored in the EDO update and now hangs above FD.
I'm a relatively new player, I started playing when I heard that Elite runs under WINE/Linux.
I started reading the forums to learn about the game and to pick up tips and tricks.
My personal take on this is that a lot of posts are just noise and simply not relevant.. All the whining seems to me completely counterproductive, as it only serves to dilute the real information exchange. I like many other players would look forwards to atmospheric planets, space legs, and all the other stuff commonly asked. I'd also love to have the bugs I've discovered fixed. Still trying to read the forum is largely a waste of my time, as there are so many posts whining about this or that.
If devs and CMs would try to read all the posts on the forum, and even possibly respond to posts, they'd have no time left over for doing actual work.
I started reading the forums to learn about the game and to pick up tips and tricks.
My personal take on this is that a lot of posts are just noise and simply not relevant.. All the whining seems to me completely counterproductive, as it only serves to dilute the real information exchange. I like many other players would look forwards to atmospheric planets, space legs, and all the other stuff commonly asked. I'd also love to have the bugs I've discovered fixed. Still trying to read the forum is largely a waste of my time, as there are so many posts whining about this or that.
If devs and CMs would try to read all the posts on the forum, and even possibly respond to posts, they'd have no time left over for doing actual work.
That's when you get the 'we're thinking of doing .... something .... in the next ..... decade' post.
2 people coding 500 people working on Camera Suite
178 people to write up patch notes with many many fixes
Peeps have to have somewhere to convey their disappointment and a forum seems the perfect medium to do so.....
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Lot of complaining about a weeks delay when console users are still waiting to hear if/ when we'll ever get access to EDO.
Spare a thought for us Cmdrs
Spare a thought for us Cmdrs
The last comment made (pretty recently) was that last gen consoles will be getting EDO once the PC version had been optimised... It was probably written around 10 days ago..Lot of complaining about a weeks delay when console users are still waiting to hear if/ when we'll ever get access to EDO.
Spare a thought for us Cmdrs
Yea but dude that was TEN whole days ago. Like a kid watching their parents split up, I need constant reassurance and validation that Frontier still love me!!!
Or at least remember I still exist?
Given the way some console peeps and others act I'd leave ya'll in Tesco and never look back.