Elite is a bit crap and has lost its way.

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If you played the original in the 80's and the Sequels later like it I did. It was a ground breaking game, none of us had experienced 3D outside of the Star Wars arcade machine. Being able to have 3D on your home computer when the other games you were playing were platformers like Chuckie egg, Repton or simple 2d airplane shooters like Bandits at 3'oclock. For a young 80's brain that was ground breaking. But not today. The Frontier games were amazing too, even by todays standing, but the combat was incredibly tedious. With newtonian physics that meant you had to try dogfighting in the equivalent of supercruise where you basically jousted with your opponent. You could try fighting on planets but only if you could deal with a sub 10 FPS slideshow.

ED doesn't cover all the ground of combined games. A lot of cool stuff is missing. But we also get a lot more cool stuff and proper actually fun combat like the very first game. I wish it was further along, actually just started playing again in Jan after taking a break since 2015.

If you have played it for 500+ hours like I had through premium beta to power play, then your going to get bored. It's hard to do anything for hundreds of hours without it becoming mundane. Even the most fun jobs like my 20 years in the game industry get tedious after a while. Switch off and come back later.

Like I mentioned, I stopped playing soon after powerplay. Stepped into an ASP Scout to land on a rock and didn't feel there was much new to do. Came back 2 years later and was blown away when I jumped in my ship last month. The game seemed new and fresh and I felt like a newbie all over again. Sometimes you need to take a break and come back months or in my case years later to really see the huge amount of progress.

My biggest beef with the game was crime and punishment. Something we were told as beta testers would be sorted out for release. Funny that after all these years it's finally happening. I think that alone will help make the game more immersive with a more realistic tangible universe and feel more like the old games. Love the game, hope it eventually comes close to what was promised.
 
Those videos are Elite 3: First Encounters, not quite the 8-bit vector graphics of 1984 Elite. (You're still in a Saker?) I'd played Frontier(elite2) and FFE over a decade ago in their original forms. btw nice looking vids of FFE with the graphics mods; I hadn't tried them yet. Its not the same kind of combat sure. It's more turreting around with overpowered (compared to ED) loadouts with no need to worry about mmo balancing. Lots of being ganged up on, but the FFE npc ships miss more often compared to ED's opponents. Kind of like multiple quickdraw until taken out. Dying then loadsave again often. Once you get the bigger ships , it gets easier to survive, and then in panther clipper, turner argent , most medium to small ships just break apart when smashing into the shields.

I like ED, it's updated FFE. The CZ's are among the best looking ship battles of games in the genre today. I missed the stardreamer and accelerating up to .10c initially, but got over it and now enjoy the SC-warp speed.

Osprey X (not a saker), and the enemy are "missing" me only because i'm constantly dodging their fire, usually firing on two or three thrusters at once when in the thick of it. Sit still under those circumstances (or even let go of a thruster for a milisecond) and you'll likely be one-hit killed. Obviously the AI can't match a human 1 on 1, but it's the packs of 'em that do you in, missing missile warnings and collisions can take a big toll on your hull too... Remember this is Aniso's mod, so shields are much less effective, and i haven't yet found a build i can successfully 'tank up' like you could in vanilla Frontier Elite. Maybe the panther or puma will work, biggest ship i've tried so far was a cobie 3 and with just 16 G main thrust it was basically a sitting duck (the osprey X has over 52 G).

Wish i could see ED as any kind of successor to FE, i played for a month, traded my way up to an asp, only ever got attacked two or three times, ran away without incident, never seen a CZ (seems too contrived and gamey compared to FE's natural interdictions), basically felt like i was playing X, only with a procedural galaxy, and i only lasted about a fortnight with X... Just never got a moment's excitement, let alone anything approaching the 'elite' vibe, from ED... It felt like some kind of spreadsheet game, with near-zero arcade action, and dull repetitive manual supercruise, manual docking... and constant frustration at total absence of basic free flight - the inability to accelerate, to basically use the thrusters to accelerate the damned ship, almost quite literally "piloting" it, through space, type stuff. No spaceflight, no action, no excitement at all, the only 'fun' factor was the dice roll of whether or not a run would be profitable. Just seems a pale shadow of Elite's traditional gameplay, at least in all the areas that matter to me..
 
Rick Sanchez from dimension (3L-173) noticed the ship's ID number on those Elite 3 videos.

Well spotted - the only customisation i've made, god's honest truth... using the BUFFET hack tool. You can rename your ship anything, up to about 7 or 8 characters, but i wanted to keep the 'authentic' FE look of two letters and three numbers..
 
If you played the original in the 80's and the Sequels later like it I did. It was a ground breaking game, none of us had experienced 3D outside of the Star Wars arcade machine. Being able to have 3D on your home computer when the other games you were playing were platformers like Chuckie egg, Repton or simple 2d airplane shooters like Bandits at 3'oclock. For a young 80's brain that was ground breaking. But not today. The Frontier games were amazing too, even by todays standing, but the combat was incredibly tedious. With newtonian physics that meant you had to try dogfighting in the equivalent of supercruise where you basically jousted with your opponent. You could try fighting on planets but only if you could deal with a sub 10 FPS slideshow.

The fact that you're at ludicrous speed relative to your target destination is totally irrelevant to combat. It makes absolutely no difference whatsoever. I cannot, for the life of me, understand why so many 'elite' gamers don't seem to grasp the relative nature of motion; your thrust and acceleration relative to an opponent has nothing whatsoever to do with your net velocity relative to anything else.. (?) Inertia's not speed-dependent, besides which, 'speed' itself is only meaningful in relation to a specific body, be it a ship, planet or whatever.

If you fly a heavier ship with lower acceleration, all lighter and thus faster ships will be "jousting" you, and you in turn will be jousting back at them... or else, using your turrets whilst holding course. Whereas, if you're in a smaller, faster ship, you'll always be "jousting" larger, slower opponents... but then, jousting isn't your only option! You can literally run rings around 'em! It's fun, and means you can exercise a little flair, develop skillz an' that, innit..

To me, that's fun, strategy, tactics, balancing yin against yang, to wit, "gaming"...

Compared with ED's 1-on-1 slow pitching contests... How could that inanity possibly scratch the Elite itch? It's literally just a windup. That's tedium, to me..

I still have pretty much the complete Beeb games catalogue, loved all the Reptons and Chuckie Egg, but the two games i spent most time on were Geoff Crammond's Revs and Elite (esp. the Master 128 version). You're right about it being the next best thing to a Star Wars kiosk in your bedroom tho..

ED's combat tho is vastly impoverished compared to the previous games. Basically the same kind of manoeuvres, only slowed right down, and all the ships have pretty much the same performance (a few hundred m/s here or there is academic in spaceflight terms). Everything you can do in ED, you can do in FE, but not, sadly, the other way around - you could roll and pitch slowly in FE, with minimal yaw... no problems. In AJ's FFED3D you can even setup a HOTAS in exactly the same way as ED - same controls, like for like. You'd obviously be dead in seconds tho...

Like i say, if i could do in ED what i can do in FE, i'd be it's greatest advocate..
 
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Looooong story short, tastes are different. I love Elite. Always have. And Elite Dangerous is, for me, giving me the same experience that Elite 2 and 3 gave me. (I never did play the first, I have to admit. I'm old, but not that old.)

Rep +1.... except that last bit in brackets...cheeky....ahh....blighter....I'm an 84'er and I'm not THAT old...am I?[yesnod]
 

Terra6790

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i feel the same way about elite! at first it showed alot of promise (much of it just propaganda by frontier and a few gamers) then the algorythms started to become vulgar, repetitive, and sadly very few! in a way after a while theres nothing much to see let alone explore and grind the repetitive variations.. then its the community or the lack of community from the players (this is my experience feedback), some players (like me) find nothing but negativity at any interaction, same in game funny i never got a pvp fight but i got "griefed" alot on my rp \ small unarmed ships - because people are so honorable coughs . and when i complain about
it all i get is insults ...cool im sure people love these things and act the way they advocate when it happens to them... but on in all elite is a big long promise of a good game that one comes to realise will probably evolve 1% a year...thanks to solo mode however the only problem i find in this are the very constant, already well-known and very much reported bugs\glitches that really impede a person of having fun when alone is already a very big challenge... but yeah i also believe that this game is made to serve a priveleged group or at least its how it appears to me (and the only think i can think of that justifies the attacks i get when i try to expose legit issues in my game becasue aparently some people here have nothing but an amazing time and oh yeah "sucks to be me")...then again im just a ps4 player - vr still a project btw? or more like an urban legend?
anyways sorry im not here to state how incredible is my game and no im not having a bad day im just hoping these negative feedbacks reach relevancy so the causes can be worked thanks! o7
 

Terra6790

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didnt even looked at the date! but tell you what i dont need a post to be fresh and new to empatise, agree and comment on! its still around visible and in my opinion very relevant!
 
Accidentally quoted Han Zulus post here before edit. sorry for the dummy notificatoin Han!

i feel the same way about elite! at first it showed alot of promise (much of it just propaganda by frontier and a few gamers) then the algorythms started to become vulgar, repetitive, and sadly very few! in a way after a while theres nothing much to see let alone explore and grind the repetitive variations.. then its the community or the lack of community from the players (this is my experience feedback), some players (like me) find nothing but negativity at any interaction, same in game funny i never got a pvp fight but i got "griefed" alot on my rp \ small unarmed ships - because people are so honorable coughs . and when i complain about
it all i get is insults ...cool im sure people love these things and act the way they advocate when it happens to them... but on in all elite is a big long promise of a good game that one comes to realise will probably evolve 1% a year...thanks to solo mode however the only problem i find in this are the very constant, already well-known and very much reported bugs\glitches that really impede a person of having fun when alone is already a very big challenge... but yeah i also believe that this game is made to serve a priveleged group or at least its how it appears to me (and the only think i can think of that justifies the attacks i get when i try to expose legit issues in my game becasue aparently some people here have nothing but an amazing time and oh yeah "sucks to be me")...then again im just a ps4 player - vr still a project btw? or more like an urban legend?
anyways sorry im not here to state how incredible is my game and no im not having a bad day im just hoping these negative feedbacks reach relevancy so the causes can be worked thanks! o7
Holy necro batman. Can I haz YOUR stuff?

For what it's worth, you are welcome to join GARD, where we will give you purpose, be happy to give you fair small ship fights with honorable respectful friends, help you develop your ships and general gameplay, as well as train you to defeat griefers, if that tickles your fancy. I agree the 'fluff' of this game is boring, but when you reach the top, the view is...

...pretty fricking spectacular actually...The day before yesterday, due to a minor feud between an outlaw clan and an enforcer clan over a fairly petty issue, a huge invasion force of outlaws, about 14 ships, descended on the enforcers pvp practice. We were ready and waiting. It was glorious. At one point, there were 11 ships fighting 9 in the same instance, the teamspeak was utter chaos, but we marked our targets and drove them off in style, losing no ships (that I know of). Good day for the good guys, there have been more and more of those kind of days for us lately. Things are looking up.
 
Playing the BBC Micro version of Elite was a visceral experience.
This isn't.
Its a dice rolling by board hopping exercise engineered by people who like board games.
Elite should not be a board game.
Frontier you have failed to deliver the 8 bit experience.
In your universe god does roll dice.

Any way to get ahead quickly is nerfed. All players must suffer needless grind.

The feeling of freedom and release of the open universe,.....and do what you just did 10,000 times. Its not fun.

I have a pair of dice I can throw them all day but I dont because it is boring.
Elite is boring.
Its really sad.

I'm not trying to be defeatist or point any fingers or lay blame anywhere, but pffff. Engineer this, do that to get said ship . Where is the freedom of the universe?
It isnt. Its like Apple. Do it my way. Its totally structured and there is no freedom.
At the end of all this once you are elite in everything?

Perhaps I'm missing the point, but I thought ELITE should be visceral seat of your pants stuff. Perhaps it is but you continually nerf any way to get there.

Its a chore.

Yes fruntear I'll get out of bed today and do my massive dice rolling work for tuppence......

Or I could just do real life and suffer the same monotony.
A real ray of sunshine this one...... 😃
 
The Elite community personified, ladies and gentlemen. Someone posts about how the game annoys him, people call him a troll and three different moderators chime in with the passive-aggressive sniping.
But if the game annoys him, should he not just move on? Wasps annoy me, one turns up, I move on, or reach for bug spray.... is this the equivalent of bug spray??
 
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