Elite / Frontier Elite+, the 9th galaxy and Raxxla

I think I came across that while looking into the Generation ships, but can't find the link anymore. Something about only rechable from Witch Space. But I'm sure more knowledgable people will chime in :) As much as I love Elite, I was 10 when I played it, and I sucked at Newtonian combat :p (Yeah Frontier was my first game from the series)
 
Hmm.. I wonder if my post got eaten by the internet grue.. anyway I think I read that you could reach it by jumping from witch space, but don't quote me on it, I haven't had that much time with Elite Plus.
 
There was a testimony from a certain russian pilot who had been to Raxxla.
Unfortunately, my conversation with him since got removed by the government, with the only traces remaining here:
http://www.elite-games.ru/conference/viewtopic.php?t=17151&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60
...and here:
http://www.gamedev.ru/flame/forum/?id=13155

Basically, the pilot claimed he had played some version of the game where you could actually get to the 9th galaxy and, subsequently, Raxxla. His exact recipe was as follows:
  • get the Elite rank;
  • initiate galactic hyperspace jump while scooping fuel from a star.
He claimed that after doing that the pilot ended up in "a new galaxy" (i.e. the 9th one), in space near Raxxla, and had to fight Thargoids to protect - guess what - a generation ship :)

At first I thought he was full of it, but after a short message exchange became convinced he was actually telling the truth. The guy couldn't remember which version he played; he did spill a few details though:
  • it had the regular refugee mission;
  • it also had missions to deliver supplies to "the rebels" (no idea here);
  • once on Raxxla, you received the "Ideal" rank.
Hmm.. I wonder if my post got eaten by the internet grue.. anyway I think I read that you could reach it by jumping from witch space, but don't quote me on it, I haven't had that much time with Elite Plus.
Great thanks for the info!
 
Hmmm.... This sounds very suspicious to me. Played Elite Plus hundreds hours and tested all kind possible tricks to get access to 9th galaxy... without success. Could be an Urban Elite Legend. Its true there are text: "Welcome to 9th Galaxy" in a Game Code, as well as text related to Constrictor Mission, which is seemingly only half implemented, thus can be triggered, but doesn't lead anywhere (after losing Combat Rating). (Check: http://forums.frontier.co.uk/member.php?u=4518).

I must test that Scooping Fuel and initiating Galactic Hyperdrive simultaneously during Supernova Refugee (1st mission after Tribbles) Mission. But I really doubt that.

Other rumor: You must shoot every Thargoids in Witch Space and then jump out with galactic Hyperdrive to get the 9th Galaxy. Witch Space is notoriously deadly place in otherwise too easy version of Elite. Never managed to do that myself, but someone claim it is possible to do.

Until really proved otherwise, I personally consider these claims as a 'myths'.
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EDIT/ADD: 16th June 2014: Partially Off Topic Add.

On Elite Plus beyond 60000 Hit Points

I searched through old hard drives and found old CDR-game save file from time before losing Elite status first time (at 60081 Hits: http://s928.photobucket.com/user/notinf/media/ELITEPlus60KHitsProof_zps9def2372.jpg.html) few years ago. I replayed and tested what would happen if I continue that save game further. I managed reproduce 'promotion' message at 60005 Hit points. It seems the game start/Trigger something on at 60000 Hit Points, Constrictor mission apparently. (http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad122/notinf/Eliteplus2_zps32ec28ae.jpg) Then I continued playing CDR-file of my 'main' current game with Archangel Nothoria/Infama and got this 'promotion' Message at 64014 hits: http://s928.photobucket.com/user/notinf/media/NothoriaInfama-Promotion64014Hitpoints15thJune2014_zps068890c1.png.html

15th June 2014 I also achieved a milestone of 2000000 Played Credits after about 10 and half years more or less active flying (Current Commander/Game).

Next day, after some 40 systems explored in Galaxy Chart 2 and another 1000+ hit points made since last 'promotion', I got new 'Promotion' Message at 35111 Hits: http://s928.photobucket.com/user/notinf/media/NothoriaInfama-Promotion35111Hitpoints16thJune2014_zpsb0da6701.png.html

If these kind messages appear in future after every 1000 (Elite in Elite Plus) or more Hit points made, that means I got what I've ever wanted most in Elite Plus: Hit Counter. I am not concerned about apparent buggy appearance (http://s928.photobucket.com/user/notinf/media/NothoriaInfama-2MCr_zpsbc8bda1d.png.html and http://s928.photobucket.com/user/notinf/media/FunnyRating_zps9bd08b7c.png.html for Example) of the game or that 'Constrictor' mission doesn't work right, if I get sort of 'Right on Commander!' - Message every time after further 1000+ Hit points, as such thing gives a point continue playing this old under valued version of Elite until the day I die. Wooohooo! :cool:

Let's see what happens. Now I can finally fly only for More Kills! The Point of Elite. :D

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Edit2/add2: I could not go to sleep despite I must be awake for work. I played little more. One Fact is now confirmed about Elite Plus. Hit counter has it limits: 65536 (256 x 256). I got Real rank again by normal Competent Promotion on 74 Hits. I feared this possibility. Anyway... Its rather easy remember how many times you're made full round and it is easy calculate your total hits... after every 65536 hits. Hehe.

"Commander [Add your EP Commander's Name here]! How many times you've Demoted by GalCop?"...

GalCop seeminly use 80' era computer machinery for registering pilots Hit Points!

"I'm Competent. I'm Competent!" :D

Hmm... Let's see do I get Missions again. At least Archangel Title is still there. Good Night. Sorry about Spammy adds. No Raxxla or The 9th Galaxy tonight. :p
 
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Nothoria Infama, this is really interesting, I must research Elite-A more to understand the Hit Points better...

Does anyone know why the name Raxxla?
 

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Nothoria Infama, this is really interesting, I must research Elite-A more to understand the Hit Points better...

Does anyone know why the name Raxxla?
Raxxla is a semi-mythical world referenced in the original Holdstock book.

Why the name - I don't know. It does have an even number of letters which, if memory serves, fits the pattern of the original's procedural generation. It could be that Holdstock made it up, but used the rules, just made it up, or even that it was one of those generated in the galaxy deleted because of the star system **** (assuming that to be a real story).

As for the ninth galaxy - does that sit comfortably with the binary progression of the PG engine in the original?

ETA - swear filter removed a slang word that sounds like a posh donkey.
 
Raxxla is a semi-mythical world referenced in the original Holdstock book.

Why the name - I don't know. It does have an even number of letters which, if memory serves, fits the pattern of the original's procedural generation.
Not quite closely enough to be real, which may have been intentional - Elite planet names are made of pairs of letters which are almost always "vowel+consonant" or "consonant+vowel" (the sole exception is the letter "a" unpaired, giving rare odd-number systems like Xeaan "Xe-a-an")

Raxela is about the closest which could theoretically exist under the actual naming rules, with "Raxeuson", "Recexela", "Rainla" and "Usexla" I think the closest which actually do.
 
Oo-key Commanders.

Now it is 100% confirmed! (Check few comments backwards). After losing interest to Elite Plus when realizing that the Hit Counter did reset after 65536 hits I kept little vacation from the game, but like always I came back to my Cobra MkIII's cockpit and continued anyway...

26th November 2014. I got 'Elite' Promotion in Elite Plus again (at 1006 Hit Points). Buggy appearance related to previous happenings disappeared and game functions like it did before those buggy Promotion messages, normally. I expect losing Elite title again after further 63000-64000 Hits. Let's see.

Still wandering around Galaxy Chart 2 (3rd or 4th time), but not for long. The First Confirmed 'Double Elite' in Elite Plus, Commander, Archangel, 2089376.1 Credits, Clean, Docked.

Does Missions get triggered again are still yet to see. Also, Cash Counter must be played around too! However, In this average flying pace it will take decades... :)
 
There was a testimony from a certain russian pilot who had been to Raxxla.
Unfortunately, my conversation with him since got removed by the government, with the only traces remaining here:
http://www.elite-games.ru/conference/viewtopic.php?t=17151&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60
...and here:
http://www.gamedev.ru/flame/forum/?id=13155

Basically, the pilot claimed he had played some version of the game where you could actually get to the 9th galaxy and, subsequently, Raxxla. His exact recipe was as follows:
  • get the Elite rank;
  • initiate galactic hyperspace jump while scooping fuel from a star.
He claimed that after doing that the pilot ended up in "a new galaxy" (i.e. the 9th one), in space near Raxxla, and had to fight Thargoids to protect - guess what - a generation ship :)

At first I thought he was full of it, but after a short message exchange became convinced he was actually telling the truth. The guy couldn't remember which version he played; he did spill a few details though:
  • it had the regular refugee mission;
  • it also had missions to deliver supplies to "the rebels" (no idea here);
  • once on Raxxla, you received the "Ideal" rank.

Great thanks for the info!
Late confirmations concerning Elite Plus' 9th Galaxy and Hit counter after 60000 hits by Archangel Darrenc can be found here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/70102-Elite-Plus?p=4422497&viewfull=1#post4422497 and https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/70102-Elite-Plus?p=4865116&viewfull=1#post4865116

Those claims about generation ship, rebels and Raxxla by that Russian pilot however... uh... I assume that no amount of playing EP can ever confirm such things. However, after recent information by Darrenc it's quite possible that Russian Archangel really reached 60K mark causing appearance of weird ranks. Whatever, there are no "Ideal" in any line in the elite.exe code that would be possible to get randomized to that memory slot. If that guy had something else in his computer's memory that contained word "ideal", then maybe it is true statement.

At least such claims about Raxxla, Rebels and Generation ship are not anymore in the line what we actually know about inner workings of PC Elite Plus.

Translator gives "Second Elite" at those pages. Yes. That is possible and it is also confirmed. After Hit counter goes over 65535 hits and you add then 1000+ hits more you get there...
 
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i confirm 9th galaxy to be andromeda. the secret mission was given to elite rank at lave station by ben ryder. you build the gateway with him and collected the pieces from thargoids. long story, after few missions related to the gateway you had to carry fuel to it and fly to 9th galaxy.. there was three systems that had options to land, raxxla, soonji and thargoidia.. yes a battle was vs thargoids and when Alli missions were complete, ideal.. refering to game end not a rank. you could stay there of fight thargoids forever, the gateway was built to system next to tionisla.. you got to it from last ringed planet or taking risky shortcut given after it was built
 
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While I wish that your story was true it unfortunately is not; Nothoria Infama gives the correct info in the previous post.
 
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