See above. It is still quite rare!
Another edit: I think I've visited around 400,000 star systems. So I should have seen 28 of those particular ELWs. Maybe accurate?
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ELW orbiting a Class L star?
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See above. It is still quite rare!
Another edit: I think I've visited around 400,000 star systems. So I should have seen 28 of those particular ELWs. Maybe accurate?
SI think you are getting lost here trying to define "oddity" from your own standpoint, and you think that your definition of it carries more weight than that of anybody else. Your work is very impressive, but the terminology is subjective regardless of who uses it. ELWs orbiting brown dwarves are rarities, even if not the rarest of rare.
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Well, since you're defining "rare" based as "whatever I think it means", then good luck with that, I'm out.
He's also comparing it to all possible systems, but that's a factor that's impossible to determine until all possible systems are explored, it should be compared to explored systems only in that example, and it would still be the wrong example anyway as you point out.
Man, if spend exhaustive time cataloging stars in a not-so-popular videogame turns you into a jerk I think I will keep being a complete casual then.
You see, this is an optimistic approach to universe - everything seems to be a marvel and you never cease to gasp at them snowballs.
I need to adopt that approach. I'm falling asleep counting these snowballs.You see, this is an optimistic approach to universe - everything seems to be a marvel and you never cease to gasp at them snowballs.
Same here...I need to adopt that approach. I'm falling asleep counting these snowballs.
They have to be the most prolific body out there, right? They're everywhere!
I'll ask this again because I got no response. I think it's pretty rare.
HRGGs are one of the less-frequently seen bodies; I think only Water Giants are less so. They do tend to occur in clusters when found.
The star type isn’t particularly relevant, but 3 HRGGs in a system is kinda nice, but I cannot call it rare in terms of relative to HRGGs. I think the record is 20 or so? I’m on my phone, can’t check atm.
I've definitely seen a lot more water giants than HRGGs. You don't see the same clumping - both in terms of multiple bodies per system and prevalence across small volumes of the galaxy - with water giants that you get with HRGGs.
My feeling, from my widespread wandering which is almost never filtered so should see a fairly representative set of the sectors I pass through, is that systems with at least one water giant are probably a bit more common that systems with at least one HRGG but the total HRGG count found may be higher because of that high per-system count and regional clumping, plus people actively seeing them and the clumping allowing them to find whole clumps when they stumble across one.
Maybe some kind soul with a local database will do some checks on systems-with counts and distribution for HRGGs vs water giants.
I think I can provide some numbers.
Right now I have 53,466 HRGGs and 121,596 WGs, in total.
The HRGGs are in 19,889 systems, for an average of 2.69 per system (among systems that have them, of course). The WGs are in 112,646 systems, averaging 1.08 per system.
Of course this contains all of the exploration biases, whatever they may be.
HRGGs orbiting K Stars would be more rare than some other stars. They are more found around mass code D and E types.
But since the FSS scanner was introduced HRGGs are far easier to find now. Before the FSS I had only found one system with a HRGG but since it was introduced I have lost count of the systems found with HRGGs in them.
But since the FSS scanner was introduced HRGGs are far easier to find now. Before the FSS I had only found one system with a HRGG but since it was introduced I have lost count of the systems found with HRGGs in them.
Yes, because getting data is much faster, and we can find those helium-rich boxels which have HRGGs all over easier now.
Probably not many know this, but in the tracking exploration activity sheet, to see the impact of the FSS on how the various body types were scanned, I made a one-time count and charts of how WWs, WGs and RIWs changed. (ELWs and AWs are always counted.) Neutron stars, too. The reason I didn't make a chart for HRGG / Sys was IIRC because they absolutely spiked when a CMDR began farming them by the thousands in an Eol Prou boxel.
Several of these are close enough on the FSS barcode to ELWs and WWs that people might mistake one for the other. The results were interesting: while WGs (per systems) did shoot up, from around 0.05% to 0.3%, they even went up to 0.61% during the peak of DW2's early times. (Before the new explorers started dropping out en masse.) However, those rocky ice worlds? They went from 2.3% to 16%, peaking briefly at 21.65%.
It would be interesting to compare these numbers to the actual numbers of fully scanned systems. After all, these are strongly influenced by the scanning habits of the uploaders, plus their travel habits too, where in the galaxy the majority are. (See how the stars per systems statistic changes over time, and in the extended snapshot, neutron stars per total stars too. All of those are auto-scanned.)
Hm, the data for these was from last September: I think I'll do another next month, to see how things might have changed in a year. After all, there were some interesting movements on this front back this April.
HRGGs are clustered by boxel; a K class star is probably in a c-code boxel, which isn't very big - a cube only 40 LY per side - so isn't likely to be found, and if found isn't likely to generate a very long list of HRGGs if someone tried to farm the whole boxel. So I suppose that would tend to make HRGGs around K stars "rare".
They also differ by star class. HRGGs can occur around any star type; they're basically proportional to normal gas giants. Water giants are almost never found around B class or hotter, or K class or cooler. All my water giants have been around A, F and G class stars - kind of like Earth-likes only even more extremely exclusive.
They also differ by star class. HRGGs can occur around any star type; they're basically proportional to normal gas giants. Water giants are almost never found around B class or hotter, or K class or cooler. All my water giants have been around A, F and G class stars - kind of like Earth-likes only even more extremely exclusive.
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Since I'm currently actively looking for one (on top of an ELW), I'm asking this here: Are there any known water giants orbiting a class L brown dwarf in a system where a class L brown dwarf is the primary "star"?
It's one of the things I haven't seen on my brown dwarf exploration tour yet; The others that interest me being a class V gas giant, HRGG (only mildly interesting), an ELW and maybe even more so - a water giant.
I'm just too freaking slow though. It's almost been a year on that trip, and I've still only covered slightly less than 10.000 brown dwarf systems.
It's one of the things I haven't seen on my brown dwarf exploration tour yet; The others that interest me being a class V gas giant, HRGG (only mildly interesting), an ELW and maybe even more so - a water giant.
I'm just too freaking slow though. It's almost been a year on that trip, and I've still only covered slightly less than 10.000 brown dwarf systems.
Since I'm currently actively looking for one (on top of an ELW), I'm asking this here: Are there any known water giants orbiting a class L brown dwarf in a system where a class L brown dwarf is the primary "star"?
It's one of the things I haven't seen on my brown dwarf exploration tour yet; The others that interest me being a class V gas giant, HRGG (only mildly interesting), an ELW and maybe even more so - a water giant.
I'm just too freaking slow though. It's almost been a year on that trip, and I've still only covered slightly less than 10.000 brown dwarf systems.
The answer is over on edastro - specifically, the Water Giants CSV in the File Section.
TLDR; No. There are none known. That's not to say it's not out there... but it'd be quite the unicorn if you found it.
Alright, thanks. Way I understand it, water giants are formed out of water worlds being exposed to a lot of heat / radiation, evaporating their entire liquid and forming a thick atmosphere out of it (Actually, is that really how they're supposed to form?). Naturally, I've got no idea how the stellar forge "builds" water giants, but if my train of thought is correct, they must be quite rare in systems with class L primaries. They'd probably need to be very close to an L0-L3 dwarf.. That's the only place I've ever found class IV gas giants so far as well.