Engineering upgrade question

ElectricFactory

ElectricFactory
Noob question here, am trying to complete my first Engineers upgrade, this with Felicity. As all of you ED/ Engineering veterans are aware I need to supply her with (1) one unit of Atypical Distrupted Wake Echo to her to complete my first/ level one FSD upgrade. Please take a look at the pic below with regard to my questions;
  • it appears I have (3) three units of Atypical Disrupted Wake Echos, is that correct ? Or do i need to fill the entire progress bar before I have even one ?
  • do the other wave scans have any Engineering upgrade value w/ Felcity ?
  • if I have (3) three ADWE's I can peform three such FSD upgrades on (3) three different ships, yes ?
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Vedmo

Vedmo
ElectricFactory said:
Thank you, is there any reason not to perform the FSD upgrade at my home station, versus going back to Felicity's place ?
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You will not progress in ranks with an engineer through remote engineering. Definitely engineer at the base until you reach level 5 with the engineer. Also worth noting, in case you are unaware, gaining the next grade access on FSD (or any blueprint) with an engineer grants you access to that level of blueprint with any other modules that engineer can do (so long as the engineer offers that level).

So far as your inventory tab, you have 3 of 100 you can store. You can use material traders to change some of what you are full of into something else, if you'd like. Other than mission rewards, gathering one material actually nets you three. If you shoot a rock and grab an iron, you get three. Same with data from scans and manufactured materials picked up from wreckages. Mission rewards give the amount they state, not multiplied by 3.
 
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Speedcuffs

Speedcuffs
Doing it at an engineer will increase your rep with them.

If you have a blueprint 'pinned' you could do the upgrade elsewhere, but you would gain no rep with the engineer.
 

ElectricFactory

ElectricFactory
Yes, it appears I have a blueprint 'pinned', see pic below. So to be clear, each time I want to upgrade a ship I need to travel to Deciat to do it ? What's the penalty/ downside for not increasing my rep with Felicity ? Increasing rep with the Empire for instance get's me into locked ship options and areas- what does increased engineer rank get ?

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Speedcuffs said:
Doing it at an engineer will increase your rep with them.

If you have a blueprint 'pinned' you could do the upgrade elsewhere, but you would gain no rep with the engineer.
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Speedcuffs

Speedcuffs
ElectricFactory said:
Yes, it appears I have a blueprint 'pinned', see pic below. So to be clear, each time I want to upgrade a ship I need to travel to Deciat to do it ? What's the penalty/ downside for not increasing my rep with Felicity ? Increasing rep with the Empire for instance get's me into locked ship options and areas- what does increased engineer rank get ?

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At the moment you only have Farseer at Grade one access(shown under her pic).
By completing engineering upgrades at her base, you will increase this access grade.
This will unlock higher level upgrades.

Remote engineering via blueprints is better done after you have got the engineers to grade 5.
 

sinisalo

sinisalo
ElectricFactory said:
  • if I have (3) three ADWE's I can peform three such FSD upgrades on (3) three different ships, yes ?
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Yes, techincally, but no, the way I suspect you are asking.

Each 'roll' of the mod in question requires one ADWE. To complete the grade will require at least one roll, but more before you have high access rep with Felicity. So for the first time you attempt to apply this upgrade I suspect you might have just enough to get a full G1 mod with three of these ADWEs. And G2 requires more of these. I suggest you get 10 or so of these before going to Deciat so you can get through G1 and G2 for one ship.

Now technically you can apply it to three ships, but each one will have less than G1 level modification. As your access rep increases, each roll will result in more gain for the same mats.

What will happen is when you go to Felicity and ask her to apply Increased Range to your FSD, you will click generate modification (or whatever it says). This will burn one ADWE and result in perhaps 30% of the G1 mod. A second attempt might take it to 60%, and a third to 100%, or enough to now move on to G2. It will become more clear when you do it.

So bottom line is three of these ADWE, at zero access rep will not be enough to make much progress, though you might be able to get full G1, but not G2 as well. Clear as mud eh?
 

Lightspeed

Lightspeed
Level 1 completes very quickly, usually (if I remember correctly) high enough to progress to Level 2 after one press of the button.

Level 2 is similarly very quick, up to Level 3 ... then it takes more presses.

You don't have to reach 100% in the previous Level to be offered an upgrade at the next higher level.

But the experimental option is available as soon as you undertake one mod, even at Level 1. If (as I hope) you intend to improve your A-class FSD, you would do best to use "mass manager" for your experimental mod. It will contribute further FSD boost to your increasing FSD range as you mod higher and higher.

For each ship that you improve the FSD, it is worth visiting Felicity to get that "mass manager." It is not offered by the Tech Brokers.

If you look at the number of ships that use a class 5A FSD, you will see it is sometimes worth storing unmodified modules, fly to Felicity and ship the modules to her base in Outfitting before fitting them in your ship and engineering them there. Costs a lot in mats all at once (and shipping charges), but saves time if you have the need.

Personally, I do it gradually as I go along. Just depends on your play style and material wealth.
 
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ElectricFactory

ElectricFactory
Actually very helpful, thanks ! I was packing a light lunch for Deciat with only three paltry units when I read your post. This Engineers stuff is still confusing as hell, as you said perhaps it'll be more obvious when I do it the first time.

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I suggest you get 10 or so of these before going to Deciat so you can get through G1 and G2 for one ship.
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Lightspeed

Lightspeed
ElectricFactory said:
Actually very helpful, thanks ! I was packing a light lunch for Deciat with only three paltry units when I read your post. This Engineers stuff is still confusing as hell, as you said perhaps it'll be more obvious when I do it the first time.
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Yes, keep an eye on the menu items on the left side of the panel. Make sure you are undertaking the mod that you wish for, such as increased FSD range, rather than 'strengthened FSD.' (Unless you need that!).

The orange bolt icons on the left increase from 1, then two, then three and so on as you clear to the next level. Keep an eye on them and click on the highest upgrade (the bolt icons) you can achieve.

It is harder to explain than actually do, like most of the stuff in this game (which is why, if we had a manual, it would be the size of an encyclopaedia in several volumes !)
 

ElectricFactory

ElectricFactory
I’ve read before you chaps refer to ‘rolls’.. is that a euphemism for pressing the advance/ upgrade button ? And do I understand that the one required wake echo is not enough to achieve a level ONE upgrade?? It makes the engineers trek sound like a roulette wheel- after all the effort maybe you get an FSD improvement, maybe you don’t.
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Once your access rep improves this is true. But for a first go I don't think you can get full G1 in a single roll.
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sinisalo

sinisalo
Yes and yes.

Roll, like dice. It's sort of chance how much each roll will advance that grade modification. The 30%/60%/100% thing I mentioned earlier.

One CAN be enough, as your rep grows. And even then, only at the lowest grades.
 

Northpin

Northpin
Go farm more materials.
Check Inara or Coriolis.io what materials you need for all the Grades 1 to 5 and farm a lot of them
You really want Felicity to level5 and Grade 5 FSD anyway.

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Look, this is Coriolis.io list of materials for 5 rolls for each Grade1 to Grade 4 and 10 rolls for Grade 5
Get those materials and then go to Felicity and upgrade her access to G5 too and also your FSD to G5 too.
Hopefully those materials will be enough, but maybe you should go there with more than that, just to be on the safe side

Atypical Disrupted Wake Echoes: 10
Chemical Processors: 10
Phosphorus: 5
Strange Wake Solutions: 5
Chemical Distillery: 5
Eccentric Hyperspace Trajectories: 5
Manganese: 5
Arsenic: 10
Chemical Manipulators: 10
Datamined Wake Exceptions: 10
 
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ElectricFactory

ElectricFactory
I guess this exercise is for me an experiment as much as anything. I’m having a great time playing the game; Elite Trade status, 1.3 billion cr’sand not a single Engineerd ship. I do however badly want to go to Colonia and ultimately Sag A, so I thought I’d try the Engineer dance with the hope of increasing my FSD range. I now see that after all the procurement of mats and echoes and everything else, after all that’s it’s still a ‘roll of the dice’.
I think if combat is your thing it’d probably be tough to compete w/o engineering.
 
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