Not going to derail this topic too much, but historically, in the 90's, many PC games shipped with both MS and nix install options.I've was always been of the idea that Linux would never be a gaming platform.
And history seems to agree with me.
Not going to derail this topic too much, but historically, in the 90's, many PC games shipped with both MS and nix install options.I've was always been of the idea that Linux would never be a gaming platform.
And history seems to agree with me.
In the early days, PC games usually came with their own operating system, regardless of the specific platform (not everything was IBM PC). Later games for IBM compatibles used DOS for hard drive access (but still did everything else on bare metal). When Windows took over, PC games lost their hardware edge against consoles.Not going to derail this topic too much, but historically, in the 90's, many PC games shipped with both MS and nix install options.
Epic ... failure.
No matter how many games Epic buys out for their platform, i will stick to my Steam account, i've had Origin when it was new, i've had that UPlay (thing), and some other stores,
and you know what, i hated it. I would like just one launcher and even if i didn't use it for a couple of years, eventually i would like to come back to find everything how i left it. I very much appreciate the games layout on Steam, the Cloud saves, the permanent library. I remember going back to Origin after a few years just to find nothing worked like it used to, so basically was a waste of my money.
Their "storefront" is so bad, such a huge turn off. I want many of the games they have, but there's no way I'm using them until they invest in their infrastructure and show that they have longevity. As it stands, the experience they offer is almost laughably pathetic.Latest Epic store news - they still dont have a "shopping cart" and you have to buy each game at once. They started a big sale and lots of folks were "blocked" for buying "too many games too fast". True story.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH9FxtuyCsE
Of course, I'm betting they keep the money after blocking you, amirite?Latest Epic store news - they still dont have a "shopping cart" and you have to buy each game at once. They started a big sale and lots of folks were "blocked" for buying "too many games too fast". True story.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH9FxtuyCsE
If Steam did what Epic is doing all the people defending Epic would crucify Steam for the same behavior. The hypocrisy.
Or not, since unlike Epic, Steam offers plethora of features to its customers. I think big part in "Epic hate" is the fact that they dont even have basic features like shopping cart and what not. But I could be wrong.
Or not, since unlike Epic, Steam offers plethora of features to its customers. I think big part in "Epic hate" is the fact that they dont even have basic features like shopping cart and what not. But I could be wrong.
I don't know if you caught that but one of the of the most hilarious fails of Epic store happened during the "sales" (I'm using quotations, because it wasn't really a sale and the devs weren't even aware of that happening)Agreed its just buying exclusivity that is painful. The fact devs are selling out to only offer you their games on such a half asp store front is telling of them also.
My main problem with the whole Epic store is actually just the fact that I don't want to have yet another storefront/game launcher installed.
My secondary reason is the slew of privacy concerns that surround their implementation.
The feature set is a factor, but only tertiary.
None of that stopped me from installing it though. I backed Phoenix Point and they gave me a backer beta key for the Epic Store. I also plan to get Borderlands 3 and Rebel Galaxy Outlaw. So, basically, I had to choose between games I want to play or my principles. Not a whole lot of games each year hit my "want to play list"....so it wasn't a hard choice.
As much as I hate what Epic (and the devs taking their money) are doing, I also can't ignore that Epic has flat out said they'd STOP doing it if Valve stopped being as greedy as they are: https://www.polygon.com/2019/4/25/18516039/epic-games-store-exclusives-steam-valve-tim-sweeney
Steam was pretty much the saviour of game development from publishers in the past, so I can't frame them as the bad guy in this current unfolding of events, but I also can't ignore that it IS their move now, not Epic's.
I tend to agree with you there. But when playing Poker you have a choice even if you think the other person is bluffing. Fold, or call the bluff.As for Epic saying they'd stop the exclusivity if Valve match the revenue split .... I don't believe a single word Tim Sweeney says. It would seem that Valve/Steam don't believe him either (or they just don't care what he says).
I don't think this is about that, though.I tend to agree with you there. But when playing Poker you have a choice even if you think the other person is bluffing. Fold, or call the bluff.
In Steam's shoes I'd call the bluff. Of course, that has massive profitability impact for them....so I totally understand why they don't.
Oh, I absolutely agree, other than the part about Sweeney. I think he really, really wants to build a bigger castle and thinks that he can. He wouldn't be throwing so much money around (for the exclusives) if that weren't the case.I don't think this is about that, though.
It's a corporate world and real life analogies don't really apply. They don't care whether Epic is bluffing or not.
They have their earning numbers and unless those change, why would they change anything?
The only way they're going to force Valve do anything is impact their profits. Nobody at that level cares about words.
Sweeney is like a little kid in a sandbox, shouting he's going to build a bigger castle.
If they do, having two major players on the market can only be good for a consumer.Oh, I absolutely agree, other than the part about Sweeney. I think he really, really wants to build a bigger castle and thinks that he can. He wouldn't be throwing so much money around (for the exclusives) if that weren't the case.
And, ultimately, impacting Valve's profits is exactly what he wants to do as well....by taking them for Epic (albeit at a reduced margin).
Only time will tell if the strategy works....and if that reduced margin remains as low once (if) Epic has a bigger foothold on the market.