General / Off-Topic EU Referendum (UK only) - to Brexit or not to Brexit

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain

    Votes: 155 50.2%
  • Leave

    Votes: 154 49.8%

  • Total voters
    309
Status
Thread Closed: Not open for further replies.
Lords don't govern the UK, elected MPs do. Meps don't govern the EU, unelected commissoners do. :)
The EU commission occupies a similar position to our civil service. None of our laws are actually written by MPs, they are all written by unelected (because if you want someone who is good at their job you don't elect them that just gets you someone who is good at getting elected) lawyers working for the Office of Parliamentary Counsel. All the MP's do is look at the proposed law, amend it and then vote on whether to approve it or not.

The key difference between the EU commission and the UK civil service is that in the UK the Government (made up of elected MPs) gets to tell the civil service what laws to write ("write me a law on dangerous dogs" or "write me a law to reduce disabled payments" etc).

In the EU, the commission is the only body who can propose the laws. So the commission proposes laws and writes them, and the Council (made up of governments) and Parliament (elected MEPs) both look at the proposed law, amend it and then both have to vote "yes" for the proposed law to become law.

The commission takes input from the Council, Parliament and even citizens petitions to decide what laws to propose. This is because it would be impractical for the council to propose every single law that needs to be proposed as they are national governments and supposed to be managing their own countries. instead the council sets the broad goals ("improve our environment", "increace our energy independence", high level stuff) and the commission gets on with working out which laws are needed to achive the goals ("law on sewage treatment", "law on wildlife protection", "subsidies for wind farms".
 
Last edited:
That's called NATO,not the eu

- - - - - Additional Content Posted / Auto Merge - - - - -



Wrong. Its called NATO,nothing to do with the eu
Interestingly enough one of the many Leave scare stories is about an EU army.

"Our boys" might be sent to war by foreigners, Leave says. "Loss of sovereignty", they shout.

Yet, being a member of NATO binds Britain to do just that.

If Russia invaded Estonia we would be bound to declare war on Russia (NATO article 5).

It's very probable, that NATO was a major reason for peace in Europe, precisely because of the sharing of sovereignty NATO membership and article 5 implies.

Far from weakening the UK, working with our neighbours makes the UK stronger.
 
Interestingly enough one of the many Leave scare stories is about an EU army.

"Our boys" might be sent to war by foreigners, Leave says. "Loss of sovereignty", they shout.

Yet, being a member of NATO binds Britain to do just that.

If Russia invaded Estonia we would be bound to declare war on Russia (NATO article 5).

It's very probable, that NATO was a major reason for peace in Europe, precisely because of the sharing of sovereignty NATO membership and article 5 implies.

Far from weakening the UK, working with our neighbours makes the UK stronger.

This issue has been raised often.

One of the advantages of the competitive nature of the EU governments is that an EU force would be a defensive force.

The EU would be bound to come to the defence of any part of its territory that was attacked by anyone.

We could be rid of the sickening images of British troops participating in the destruction of homes in the ME and elsewhere.

- - - - - Additional Content Posted / Auto Merge - - - - -

I meant my post was in support of his.

Sorry, I was highlighting the tendency for Remain and Leave to fight their own supporters almost as much as each other.

Kinda funny really and so typical of this entire farce.
 

Minonian

Banned
If england quits, that means increased unemployment, and sky high company bankruptcy because the companies losing their European workers, remaining without workforce, and by severing the EU economical and political ties england also loses a lot of things.

Europeans stealing workforce? On the contrary! They are meaning more workers, better economy. and since the UK unemployment is all time low the Very opposite is true.
 
If england quits, that means increased unemployment, and sky high company bankruptcy because the companies losing their European workers, remaining without workforce, and by severing the EU economical and political ties england also loses a lot of things.

Europeans stealing workforce? On the contrary! They are meaning more workers, better economy. and since the UK unemployment is all time low the Very opposite is true.

England?
 

Minonian

Banned

f58cd353709445.56091c56e0692.png
 
Nothing to do with grammar, I'm afraid. England and the UK are not interchangeable terms. They are different places. The use of the former in place of the latter is incorrect, and offensive to those of us who only belong to the latter.
Yep, this is offensive to Welshmen like myself, England might be the biggest part of the UK but it still grinds on me when people say England instead of the UK when we are talking about UK-wide matters.
 
Last edited:

Yaffle

Volunteer Moderator
I think Patrick that depends where in the UK you are.

Let's head back to the Brexit debate though...
 

Yaffle

Volunteer Moderator
Fair point, I cannot comment for France.

In the UK often in England the word England is used to mean the UK at an unconscious level. Having said that, very few people seem to know the difference between the UK and Great Britain, let alone anything about what the EU actually is. And yet we expect them to make an informed choice on staying in the EU or not.
 

Minonian

Banned
Nothing to do with grammar, I'm afraid. England and the UK are not interchangeable terms. They are different places. The use of the former in place of the latter is incorrect, and offensive to those of us who only belong to the latter.

Yeah, this is grammar naczism. Riding in semantic. ;)

It is true that in the unconscious, the England and the United Kingdom are the same thing

So as from the other end of Europe.
 
Last edited:
Status
Thread Closed: Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom