Sounds good, would work perfectly into our plans.
Expansions: BGS Guide Best Current Thinking
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Sounds good, would work perfectly into our plans.
So in other words we're the only ones who managed to open up, expand in and take over a Power capital? All other PMF in Power capitals were placed there by FD?
Would be nice if someone could verify / debunk that, assuming the necessary information is available.
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Looks like only one other PMF ever managed to pull that off: the 8th Dragon Squadron Wing expanding into Harma (Archon Delaine) (Source: Inara.cz).
Still a difference to try to get into a 27.53mil System or a 12.76bil one
Pretty sure this is correct, definitely an achievement in both cases.
Jane Turner
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The 1st post is mproved thanks! I think we should give investment its own entry!
Our war cooldown ended and expansion went active, just need to double check what day expansion went pending when i get home to be 100% it still counted down during the active conflict
There is a theory that a target system being in range isn't based on straight distance (a sphere) but rather on a cube +-x ly from the expanding system. (Once the cube is established, then proper distance is used to prioritize the systems)
Getting enough data to prove it is hard as people are rarely prepared to give out the information when then expand.
Getting enough data to prove it is hard as people are rarely prepared to give out the information when then expand.
Probably due to fearing to have some unwanted guests trying to abolish one's efforts. Sadly not only the reasonable people are reading these threads.
Jane Turner
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Does anyone else miss the kickback mechanism? We used it to get into a couple of really tasty systems way down the priority order. It was before retreat so you could hold on at 1% and wait for the expansion. The downside was the amount of systems cluttering up your expansion centres - we got well into double figures!
You'd have had to take it off the Alliance first! If it hadn't been godblocked, Sol almost certainly would have been green by now
Aaaaah, the displacement mechanism.... That was good, actually, though it made things a bit difficult, but good difficult, and did allow for expansions over longer distance (while requiring sick amount of neighborhood management). Wolf 406 at some point I think had 13-14 factions in it!
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That theory would nicely explain everything I've seen in Colonia about which expansions require Investment and which ones didn't.
The 28 LY which didn't was very misaligned with the map axes, coming in at 19 LY on the longest one.
The 23 LY which did was very aligned with the map axes, coming in at 21 LY on the longest one.
In the situation in my post #8, system B was 23 LY away on a single axis, whereas system D was only 19 LY away on the longest axis. System C was also more than 20 LY away on an axis.
That would mean that in ideal circumstances you could get a 34.64 LY expansion without Investment being required ... and twice that with it.
Excellent. I have some expansion target predictors to update...
I'm confused, is invasion a type of expansion? or a state that comes after failed investment? Any details assuming a faction 'invades' a system with 7 factions in it, what their starting influence maybe when they enter & pend? Do they pend upon entrance or enter in War? I've never seen a faction expand into a system after 7 facitons are present in it.
It's a type of expansion which occurs (rarely!) to stop stagnation in sparsely settled but densely contested regions, and can occur without Investment (and is more likely without Investment). They're rare but not unheard of in the Colonia region ... and extremely rare outside it.
The faction entering gets normal "has expanded" influence levels.
The War (usually) goes active immediately on entrance, no pending time.
Here's a recent example from Chrysus - https://cdb.sotl.org.uk/systems/44/history
On 15 March, the Nomads of Nevermore find this system is their sole expansion target in range not requiring Investment - the catch is, it's already got 7 factions in it.
As they are not currently pending or active in any conflicts, they can invade, so they appear in the system at 8.4% influence [1] and start a war with the nearest other faction not already in a conflict - in this case, Colonia Defence Force
On 18 March, the War has reached its minimum length, and they have a winning margin, so they win the war
... and on 19 March, Colonia Defence Force are gone from the system reducing it back to a standard 7 factions.
[1] In this case, an exact match with their opponent - but that's not guaranteed, and these wars can start with influence levels below the normal 7% minimum, or with a >10% gap between factions.
Jane Turner
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I didn't know that - and certainly worth adding
Jane Turner
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btw we just had an expansion of 34Ly without investment - though there had been an investment 2 expansions previously, then expansion from a system that didn't need the investment. This contradicts the use it or lose it the theory with investment.
The 'cube' theory of expansion ranges would allow a 34 LY expansion without investment if the two systems were in exactly the right relative positions (the theoretical limit being 34.64 LY) so that the differences in all three of X, Y and Z coordinates were individually <=20LY - could that apply here?
Expansions are in order of the in-game system list, not name list.
I've reliably had the same expansions from the same systems regardless of other systems at expansion point - so it goes by whatever system ID is on their generated list from the Galactic Forge, not what they are named or what order they got to expansion point.
I've reliably had the same expansions from the same systems regardless of other systems at expansion point - so it goes by whatever system ID is on their generated list from the Galactic Forge, not what they are named or what order they got to expansion point.
Jane Turner
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Just had an expansion of 31.56 without an investment.
The previous expansion was 34.27 also without an investment, though my assumption then was it used an unused investment that was followed by an alternative expansion out of a different system.
There are 15 or so closer systems with at least space and no retreats to consider.
Baffled
The previous expansion was 34.27 also without an investment, though my assumption then was it used an unused investment that was followed by an alternative expansion out of a different system.
There are 15 or so closer systems with at least space and no retreats to consider.
Baffled
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