Exploits are boring and they twist perception about game into something it's not
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verminstar
Banned
The whole thread is the judgement...I think that little detail eludes you entirely ^
I know, technically it's de-escalating, but I don't want to make your brain hurt.
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Since nobody gives a damn nobdoy cares!
Oh dear!
People absolutely call for other people to have their playstyle restricted to preserve their own personal sense of immersion. When the devs make a decision, that's their prerogative, and I get to live with it wether I like it or not. When players decide they know what's best for the entire game based on their personal opinion, I'll continue to play how I like, since it's a game that I play for my personal enjoyment.
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Frankly dear ... I don't give a damn.
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Not at all.. I do not judge any player for doing anything they want within the game rules, however IF I feel a feature is out of wack and is spoiling the game... I will give my opinion. And i champion your right to give your opinion to the devs - but without attacking players..... whilst i am not judging anyone here, sadly i am being judged by plenty like yourself it seems
lets look at other examples.. what if i liked the "beige plague"...? what if i felt the new colours were over the top and i would rather have the colours in 2.4?
have all those people spoiled my game? or were they just reporting something and asking FD to chip in?
what about those players who ENJOYED the spinning ships offering no threat at all, or when elite pirates spawned with no weapons and could not fight back?
what if i liked those insane weapons which some ai spawned with? (back in 2.1 was it?)
ultimately sometimes quirks happen and we get to post if we like them or not (more importantly we get to ask if they are intended or not)... essentially tho, FD are judge, jury and ultimately executioner ?
IF its working as intended they wont change it... if it is broken but they do not think they can fix it any time soon they will let us know.... OR if it is broken and they feel its a big enough deal they will change it.
ED for better or for worse is a forced multiplayer game.... (even in solo). Games have rules, even minecraft has set rules depending on the server you are on (I am on thin ice here, i do not play minecraft as i do not like pure sandboxes so correct me if i am wrong)
IF ED had private servers none of this would be an issue we could make our own rules.... but it doesnt so we all have to compromise.
I liked the money earning in gamma..... but i accept not everyone is happy it taking 2000 hrs to get to the biggest ships..... so FD compromised and slackened the rules a hell of a lot... but quid pro quo getting the money to earn a base hull anaconda in under 2 hrs is also not reasonable.
there HAS to be an attempt at balance imo......
maybe there should be a pure sandbox mode separate from the game? would that please some? let all gear, all mods and all ships be free and people just tool around in them, testing builds and blowing ships up.... but that should not be in the core game because the entire point of ED is we bond with our ships and losing a big ships is meant to mean something both to us and also remember the insurance company........ who just keep ponying up new ships...
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People know full well when they are exploiting the only reason it goes on is because Frontier are hopeless and are more concerned with how many 'cosmetics' they sell than any form of cheating.
If they sold credits for real money in the store they'd have closed any credit loop hole the second they became aware of it, and hammered anyone who had taken advantage of it. Instead they sell skins and turn a blind eye. Lets not kid ourselves though.
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i know this is really contentious (and i again champion the right for folk to disagree) but i was fine when FD pitched the KSer that they would sell credits for cash in the store but make everything earnable in game with ingame credits (skins the & lot).
ED is the game i knew i planned to invest almost all my game time in.... it is to me what WOW is to some... and as such i knew i would be a 2 / 4 / 6000 hr player in it over the life of the game.... therefore i was more than happy to have a controlled economy but where EVERYTHING would be purchasable in game, and those who were time poor could buy stuff with cash.
i commend FD for listening to folk and not making ED pay to win..... but personally i think ED would have been a better game with FD being motivated to keep on top of inflation in the economy. (assuming we trust them to not fo full F2P grind on us - i know some here dont... but personally I do because i DONT find the game too grindy)
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It's perfectly fine to have that opinion but it's also perfectly fine to have a different opinion. Telling people they shouldn't voice their opinion is a little bit stupid when it's in fact just your opinion as well... How do I know which opinion should be allowed on the forums?
That's, of course, just my opinion though and I already said that I don't give a damn...
BTW
It's quite ironic that you are telling Eagleboy he shouldn't be allowed to tell people they shouldn't be allowed to use exploits. You shouldn't be allowed to do that.
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Everyone has a right to voice their opinions on how the game could be made better. I'm just saying "Stop people doing this because it breaks my immersion" is not a legitimate reason to request change. Suggestions should be things that benefit the game and community as a whole, not something that plays to a single person's RP.
Saying exploits shouldn't be part of the game because they don't add to a believable galaxy is a perfectly legitimate reason to request a change.
verminstar
Banned
Not at all.. I do not judge any player for doing anything they want within the game rules, however IF I feel a feature is out of wack and is spoiling the game... I will give my opinion. And i champion your right to give your opinion to the devs - but without attacking players..... whilst i am not judging anyone here, sadly i am being judged by plenty like yourself it seems
lets look at other examples.. what if i liked the "beige plague"...? what if i felt the new colours were over the top and i would rather have the colours in 2.4?
have all those people spoiled my game? or were they just reporting something and asking FD to chip in?
what about those players who ENJOYED the spinning ships offering no threat at all, or when elite pirates spawned with no weapons and could not fight back?
what if i liked those insane weapons which some ai spawned with? (back in 2.1 was it?)
ultimately sometimes quirks happen and we get to post if we like them or not (more importantly we get to ask if they are intended or not)... essentially tho, FD are judge, jury and ultimately executioner ?
IF its working as intended they wont change it... if it is broken but they do not think they can fix it any time soon they will let us know.... OR if it is broken and they feel its a big enough deal they will change it.
ED for better or for worse is a forced multiplayer game.... (even in solo). Games have rules, even minecraft has set rules depending on the server you are on (I am on thin ice here, i do not play minecraft as i do not like pure sandboxes so correct me if i am wrong)
IF ED had private servers none of this would be an issue we could make our own rules.... but it doesnt so we all have to compromise.
I liked the money earning in gamma..... but i accept not everyone is happy it taking 2000 hrs to get to the biggest ships..... so FD compromised and slackened the rules a hell of a lot... but quid pro quo getting the money to earn a base hull anaconda in under 2 hrs is also not reasonable.
there HAS to be an attempt at balance imo......
maybe there should be a pure sandbox mode separate from the game? would that please some? let all gear, all mods and all ships be free and people just tool around in them, testing builds and blowing ships up.... but that should not be in the core game because the entire point of ED is we bond with our ships and losing a big ships is meant to mean something both to us and also remember the insurance company........ who just keep ponying up new ships...
Im not judging you at all or attacking anyone...just pointing out the entire thread makes a helluva lotta incorrect assumptions that the op hasnt even tried to back up with anything. Just throwing out all sorts of claims about why players do such things and then claiming they never stick around anyway...ye wanna tell me how the op knows this? Its been pointed out by several others that they havent quit after x amount thousands of hours which contradicts the claims the op is making in the thread...a very conveniently ignored angle wouldnt ye think? Ignored because it doesnt quite fit the ops rhetoric...not fer the first time either.
But Im not judging you at all...I applaud yer efforts to create a more balanced game and would have praised the ops attempt were it not so judgemental in the first place...honestly it just comes across as arrogant elitist gamers who refuse to even consider any other opinion that didnt originate in their mind.
That being said, I do flip the boards but havent made a single brown penny from any exploits because I dont use them...well apart from board flipping but thats only cos its necessary and there is no viable alternative unless I waste half the night docking, undocking, repeat ad infinitum fer two hours to get some decent missions on the books...flip the boards and achieve the same result in 10 minutes. Really...thats the reality and its not gonna stop even when frontier ask nicely...it only stops when frontier stops asking at all and just changes something to force everyone to stop.
Players rush to gold rushes because of players who demand they be nerfed...FD always listen to that subset and always nerf the gold rushes eventually, so its a case of making hay while the sun shines. Its actually fun in its own way...gaming the game and racing against the clock before frontier caves in and swings the nerf bat.
I wouldnt worry too much...frontier always caves in after a few weeks and then its back to the boring type of grind where the elite of the elite can finally be happy, and to hell with everyone else.
A stark summary but thats exactly how I see threads like this ^
It has zero to do with my RP. It has anything to do with obvious twist it does on perception of the game. At the moment people say they need to be in Engineered Anaconda to have fun you know it is just poor excuse.
In the end lot of people exploit because that's how they play games. Or not, they are just there to play fool and hang around.
I am not passing judgement here. Players can do whatever they want.
What I am saying and what devs seem to think too is that ED as a game will never serve such players well and they won't balance game or tweak according to their wishes.
as usual someone says in 1 sentence what i was trying to say in an entire paragraph
*disregard pls
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To be fair, if the BGS simulated the economy better then these exploits would only ever be a very temporary thing. If someone can earn countless millions doing very basic tasks, then the factions that hand out said missions would go bankrupt within hours and no longer give missions.
Well then the devs should do a better job of ensuring it can't happen.
If I find a way to make more credits I'm going to use it
Further; If I want to be in an Anaconda or a Cutter or a Sidewinder, it is frankly, none of your business. I do not need your permission or your opinion on it. Thanks!
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boredome is the reason. if the shallow repetitive mechanics iof the game entertain you, thats fine. Some people want diversity and this also includes trying various ships, but when getting a cutter means laods of hours of repetitive tasks that are basically the same without diversity they will use any shortcut givenk, because they don't "lose" any experience or fun. We are not talking about the "skip the level" and finish the boss exploits we just talk about skip doing a task 1000x to be done 20x.
Now if within those 1000x there would be a diversity of 500 dofferent things, well that would be nice, but it isn't.
And yes ther eis enough other fun in the world to do. Sadly for FD and ED many people decided to do that and they saw their little beloved game is having problems. Thats why FD decided ED needs core changes to be more attractive since plain repetitive tasks can't keep people entertained enough to spent lots of money in their store to keep the game running. unfortuntely the first beyond change of engineers didnt changed much about their core issues: boring and isolated ways from the remaining games features of how to get materials. So yes they improved the random rolls not being fully random anymore. But material gathering is still the same repetitive boring thing. if the remainign beyond core changes are similar "decent" then their entire beyond idea won't turn out well and ahcivee whatever they hope to achieve.
