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No, you just insulted people.
No, I accurately described self-taking behaviour.
Narcissism: inordinate fascination with oneself; excessive self-love; vanity. (from dictionary.com).
If you find that description of selfie-taking behaviour distasteful then you can look into changing your behaviour if you like, but don't accuse me of insulting you just because I used an accurate description.
Almost no post in this threadnought has insinuated, in any way, that they want 'pew in third person' - that comes from the paranoid delusions of the PvP crowd fearing an almighty weight of advantage (which wouldn't exist) should cameras be a 'thing' in combat.
When you go about telling others to be respectful, its usually a good idea not to project misinformation onto others.
Every post I've read in favour of full controllable cameras in here wants it for vanity shots, or, like me, for effective video making purposes. EDIT: Which I should add we still wont have because of concessions given to the damned multiplayer lot.
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So? Limit it to solo/group, problem solved.
Then they shouldn't mind that their ship is uncontrollable while they're using their vanity drone, right?
Oh and FYI I didn't originally post in "this thread"... the thread I posted in was merged with this one, so anything I'm saying has no reference to anything that was said here "pre-merge".
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You really are a funny word-twister, aren't you.
Nope, I don't feel being insulted because you used the word "narcissistic", sorry about that.
You really are a funny word-twister, aren't you.
If "word twisting" is "using the language correctly", then sure. If I recall it was YOU that employed the term "idiot" and tried to accuse me of using it.
Nope, I don't feel being insulted because you used the word "narcissistic", sorry about that.
Then what on earth are you complaining about?
I agree with you regarding wanting the camera to not affect gameplay, but calling anyone using it a narcissist is inflammatory to say the least. I think the words you need to focus on in that definition, are excessive and inordinate. Is taking a photo of a cool moment in game excessive? I wouldn't think so at all. I'd like to be able to remember it and look back on that moment, just as I would a photo taken in any other fashion, be it in a game or real life.
Is one solution I, and others, have already said on many occasions here, but seems to be a no go, for some reason. The "Driver" solution is another one recently posted which would work just as well, possibly even better as it records the entire scene you are in, including combat scenarios, and you would go back and be able to view and edit all the footage from any angle afterwards. In fact that is the absolute best answer to this whole problem, for everyone.
How is having a an uncontrollable ship useful when your trying to make a video? How do you film docking? How do you do close dynamic flybys? How do you do ANYTHING bar seeing a ship flying in a straight line?
Fair enough about 'this thread', thread merged without my knowledge.
When I argued with Michael Brookes about the changes to FA Off back in beta, he told me "playability trumps realism". Fair enough, this is a game, and it must be playable. It is however equally NOT a sci fi movie creation suite. I think it's it's great that you want to use it to make movies, and it's great that they've given you a method for doing so "from the outside" but the number one priority is that it remain a game. They've chosen to allow you access to the debug camera that for a long time they swore black and blue would never be public domain, and put in a limitation to ensure that it (hopefully) can't be abused within the game play. I'd hope that rather than complain about the limitation you'd be happy for the increased access and understanding of the need to limit it's abilities.
Surely as a film maker you'll be able to find ways of making good use of the camera as described?
Sure... Stick cameras on the outside of the ship giving lateral and rear views... even mount them on gimbals so they can be used for docking etc. This is all good and all within the "framework" of the game, and even has a precedent with the previous games (I think it was Elite II that had a rear view, if I remember correctly). Modern day ocean liners and cargo ships use them for docking, negotiating canals, and so on. So do large modern air craft. My car even has one.
Even what FD has proposed for "beauty shots" with the ship's controls is fine, though not something I'll use outside of the beta test.
I just don't want to see an external camera following your ship and letting you fly around with the "mario karts" point of view while pewpewing... that's a very different and very "arcade" type game.
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If you can find a less "inflammatory" word for "inordinate self love" I'd be happy to use that instead. I didn't intend to inflame or insult, just to describe accurately.
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No other flying games "gameplay" is affected by the addition of a third person camera, fully controllable. Why should ED be any different? I have no understanding of the need to limit its functionality because the fears of the pvp crowd is unfounded, and there are a multitude of far more serious flight sims with combat, with 3rd person cameras available, to back me up on this.
I am happier we have at least something, but I'm not sure its enough to make me want to fumble around its limitations to make some decent videos that FD would only benefit from, with the extra exposure. I'll probably end up just taking some photos and that's it, I've spent long enough staring out the top of a sidewinder to be tip toeing around this as well.
So... you're complaining that I'm arrogant? Geez, I thought we all knew that already. No argument.
This is exactly my point. Also a simple outside camera view will not break the game mechanics as long as its only used for exploring and other none combat navigation.
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