Congratulations - looks like the arcade crowd won.
Done with this game.
*slow clap*
Done with this game.
*slow clap*
External View [A definitive discussion]
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Seriously, you basically know next to nothing about the feature and you're throwing your toys around...
Wait a couple of weeks and then comment with some insight maybe?
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This is great news........ :O)
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I make F1 simulators for a living, real ones, not for kiddies in their bedrooms, and even THEY have an external view option.........do they drive the car around from 50ft behind? No.........do they sometimes like to take Promo shots and look at the "worlds" in unique ways.....yes......
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to those who are crying and don't like it......well....don't use it then.........you have to be some sort of stuck in the mud luddite to want a video game this good looking, without external views......
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I make F1 simulators for a living, real ones, not for kiddies in their bedrooms, and even THEY have an external view option.........do they drive the car around from 50ft behind? No.........do they sometimes like to take Promo shots and look at the "worlds" in unique ways.....yes......
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to those who are crying and don't like it......well....don't use it then.........you have to be some sort of stuck in the mud luddite to want a video game this good looking, without external views......
Its inherent to any good simulation to have an external view, or a replay in most cases since simulators are not supposed to be for combat.
I come from Flight Simulator -which is used in some fly schools and all- and is as serious as it gets. They do have external view!!!
Not only for vanity and cosmetic purposes -which is honestly, all what we are asking here- but to also study the performance of the ship or maneuver you are doing. I concede this later is not so much a usage here and the replay idea is just not gonna fly -pun intended.
So, all of those screaming lack of immersion, lack of serious simulation, are truly ignorants on what a simulator do and how a simulation should work and the things you should be able to get from it. External view is a must for that.
For all of those yelling that this would be used in combat, also ignorant of the feature because the external view used in simulations, are mostly for review and check, not for controlling, or allowing to do anything from outside the cockpit, just surveillance.
There you go, both views debunked by reality and feasibility. This should be in game. Now. Period.
The joke is on Frontier, once again, for not just including this feature from the get go and call it a day, as they should do quite honestly with the open/solo as well. But don't even get me started on that one.
I come from Flight Simulator -which is used in some fly schools and all- and is as serious as it gets. They do have external view!!!
Not only for vanity and cosmetic purposes -which is honestly, all what we are asking here- but to also study the performance of the ship or maneuver you are doing. I concede this later is not so much a usage here and the replay idea is just not gonna fly -pun intended.
So, all of those screaming lack of immersion, lack of serious simulation, are truly ignorants on what a simulator do and how a simulation should work and the things you should be able to get from it. External view is a must for that.
For all of those yelling that this would be used in combat, also ignorant of the feature because the external view used in simulations, are mostly for review and check, not for controlling, or allowing to do anything from outside the cockpit, just surveillance.
There you go, both views debunked by reality and feasibility. This should be in game. Now. Period.
The joke is on Frontier, once again, for not just including this feature from the get go and call it a day, as they should do quite honestly with the open/solo as well. But don't even get me started on that one.
Or just want to ensure that it remains a FPV simulation. This isn't good news. What they should have done is added a blackbox recorder.
Jeez, lighten up. You don't have to use it if you don't want to but anything that increases the visual appeal can only be a good thing.
How do you know people won't now start using external views to gain tactical advantage in combat, for example?
To re-repeat myself - galaxy map, system view, outfitting. The game already takes us out of first person view.
Totally agree with you.
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Those three are acceptable, obviously you would be out of the ship during outfitting.
What is the harm in other people being able to view their ships?, its doesnt affect your gameplay at all.
a LOT of people have wanted this since the kickstarter days, its not like a group of arcade game fanatics have turned up and started protesting.
I dont play arcade games, mainly simulations (Naval, flight, space) and I think an external view is essential.
a LOT of people have wanted this since the kickstarter days, its not like a group of arcade game fanatics have turned up and started protesting.
I dont play arcade games, mainly simulations (Naval, flight, space) and I think an external view is essential.
It should be somthing to use just for estetics and such, so, something to use only for that... disableing it during fighting, mining, or just when a "red" is close. I think there are lot of ways to implement an external view that you can't use in combat.
Imo saying no to external view for this reason is pointless.
People with no situational or spacial awareness now have some features to help them, which is pretty lame. The dumbing down has begun.
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Agreed. One step nearer to Eve.
I think you may have the wrong idea of how the camera will be implemented.
I dont see it as dumbing down, I see it as increasing the depth a little.
you Cant fight whilst using the the camera either.
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<sarcasm> Oh okay then. Sorry, I didn't realise they had been sanctioned as acceptable exceptions by everyone. In that case yeah, an external ship view is evil, unexplainable and we should probably all leave the game until FD change their minds.
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Huh? What?
I don't see how it's arcade-like at all.
For me personally it's one feature I've been waiting for. It would have been nice to be camera drones but in the case of everything or nothing, I'd like something.
You do realise the people asking for an external view are not doing it for situational awareness, or spacial awareness? Indeed, if you stop to think for a second, if you drop into an external view mode, with no scanner (HUD) it could be argued that you are sacrificing said situation and spacial awareness? But let's not let facts get in the way of an argument...
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He's "done with the game" - We of course won't see him on the forums or in game any more... Well not until tonight.
Surely he wasn't saying that just for dramatic effect?
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