Paranoid thinking here mr. p. :S
To me the same comment looked like a (jest) apology for being carried away in off-topic "discussion" in the thread while it was still in E: D section of the forums.
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To me the same comment looked like a (jest) apology for being carried away in off-topic "discussion" in the thread while it was still in E: D section of the forums.
Not true. Sure it was damaged, but only with a controlled demolition a symetrical collapse in free fall speed can be archieved. If you think i am wrong then show me one real world example that a fire ever collapsed a steel frame building in free fall speed. You will have a hard time to find ONE.
So you're saying that the explanation in the magazine I linked to is impossible? I take it you actually read it, and that you understood what it was saying, and still say, categorically, that it is simply not a possible explanation? That the absolute and only way for it to have fallen the way it did was via a controlled demolition? They did a great job of hiding the sight and sound of those charges going off I must say - every controlled demolition I've seen they've been fairly obvious but I guess those master 9/11 conspirators had some great practice of "stealth" demolitions elsewhere beforehand or something because I've never seen, or heard, any indication of them on any video of the building collapse.
Look at this video, 58 seconds in - you can see the penthouse collapse several seconds before the building does anything - this is not indicative of any kind of standard demolition, this corroborates the single point of failure explanation.
Anyway... I like turtles!
Sorry about your knees...
Having a bit of a problem with one of mine since a motorcycle accident about 25 years ago.
Oh yes i was a soldier too....forcefully for 15 Months
Spent most of my time in "Heeresamt" though as a telecommunication tech. you know...these 75Bd remote writing devices.
Only had to salute Generals...else i wouldn't have got my hand down the whole day *g*
Having a bit of a problem with one of mine since a motorcycle accident about 25 years ago.
Oh yes i was a soldier too....forcefully for 15 Months
Spent most of my time in "Heeresamt" though as a telecommunication tech. you know...these 75Bd remote writing devices.
Only had to salute Generals...else i wouldn't have got my hand down the whole day *g*
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So you're saying that the explanation in the magazine I linked to is impossible? I take it you actually read it, and that you understood what it was saying, and still say, categorically, that it is simply not a possible explanation? That the absolute and only way for it to have fallen the way it did was via a controlled demolition? They did a great job of hiding the sight and sound of those charges going off I must say - every controlled demolition I've seen they've been fairly obvious but I guess those master 9/11 conspirators had some great practice of "stealth" demolitions elsewhere beforehand or something because I've never seen, or heard, any indication of them on any video of the building collapse.
Look at this video, 58 seconds in - you can see the penthouse collapse several seconds before the building does anything - this is not indicative of any kind of standard demolition, this corroborates the single point of failure explanation.
Anyway... I like turtles!
I am in this topic several years and have read all magazine you are referring and have seen all availabel videos.
About your assumption - you are wrong. It's exactly a typical sign of controlled demolition having internal structures get demolished first in order to garantee that the building will collpase inwards and not outwards.
You should get more into the topic of controlled demolition and you will see i am right. Very often staircases are removed by explosives prior to the rest of the building, because staircases and elevator shafts are the strongest part of the building due to fire savety measure.
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To the moderator: And about personal attacks?! How many times people make fun of me and this topic. How many times did i complain of it? Never. So? ...
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Then show me videos of controlled explosions showing that exact pattern - no sign (or sound) of any charges going off and structures on the roof disappearing that long before collapse... because I've not seen any.
And you avoided the question, please answer it - are you saying that it is absolutely impossible that the building collapsed as described in the article in Structure, that the article has no plausibility whatsoever?
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ok, mission accomplished.
won't disturb here any further
I have pitty with you, because one day you will realize that all i said was true and 9/11 was indeed a CIA-orchestrated false-flag-operation. It will not be a joyful experience. Take it easy.
The Knees was actually a dog walking accident! I was taking my two greyhounds for a walk, one went one way, the other went the other way, and in an effort not to take the two dogs with me as I slipped down a ditch, I took my weight in a awkward way. Still finished the walk though! I love my dogs!!
Both are rescue dogs, and ex racers. They now live in the lap of luxury, waited on hand and foot in a comfey home
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Psyron, do you seriously believe that if "they" wanted to make a building collapse while making it look like a terrorist attack, they would demolish the building like the way is described in that drivel you are watching? Why would they do that? Think about it mate. Or maybe they wanted to implicate a demolition company?
And I have not made any personal attacks against you, just arguing my case against your beliefs about the 9/11 conspiracy.
Brian
Both are rescue dogs, and ex racers. They now live in the lap of luxury, waited on hand and foot in a comfey home
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Psyron, do you seriously believe that if "they" wanted to make a building collapse while making it look like a terrorist attack, they would demolish the building like the way is described in that drivel you are watching? Why would they do that? Think about it mate. Or maybe they wanted to implicate a demolition company?
And I have not made any personal attacks against you, just arguing my case against your beliefs about the 9/11 conspiracy.
Brian
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There exist different kind of explosives. There is a form of explosive called Thermate. It creates a lot of heat but only very few sound.
Even so they tried hard there are still a lot of eyewitnes reports and even videos available where you can still hear explosives.
And to answer your question, yes. It is physically impossible that a building goes down in free fall acceleration without removing all steel beams simultaneously on all floors. Even the slightest resistance would create an acceleration infirior to free-fall-acceleration. That's high school physics. Ask your physics theacher and he will confirm.
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Psyron, do you seriously believe that if "they" wanted to make a building collapse while making it look like a terrorist attack, they would demolish the building like the way is described in that drivel you are watching? Why would they do that? Think about it mate. Or maybe they wanted to implicate a demolition company?
And I have not made any personal attacks against you, just arguing my case against your beliefs about the 9/11 conspiracy.
Brian
With the two twin towers the collapse started from the top and goes down to the bottom. That's not a typical way to do controlled demolition, but it has to be made this way to make people think that it could be quite plausible.
With building 7 there were no planes, only some damage at one corner of the building. It has been televised only once that day and never again, since it looks too obviously like a controlled demolition.
But all 3 buildings came down in free-fall-acceleration or at least very close to it. And this alone is simpy not possible.
If a steel-frame-building really could collapse (indeed it never happen before or after that day) we could imagine one floor hitting the other and so on. Every time a floor hits another the speed of the collapse would diminish a little bit. But this didn't happen.
Please guys, really even if it's only one of you. Please watch one of the many documentaries i have listed above and tell me what you think of it. It's really not funny to be ridiculized. You think i feel good having people laugh at me?
I know it's a difficult topic, difficult to believe. Even some good friends of mine have laughed about me - till they watched those documetaries. After they feeled sorry.
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Again, you didn't read that article - the building had a structural design weakness.
Anyway, I've had enough of this now - you will believe what you want to because it probably makes you feel enlightened to think you know a "truth" that others do not... none of us will convince you otherwise, and you probably won't convince anyone either. In fact, you can see that your constant talk on this subject is just causing issues on the forum so why continue? There are better places for you to discuss this.
This is quickly spiraling out of control. It's simply not the right forum to discuss this, and the reactions are a good indicator for this.
Mind you, I don't think ANY forum is suitable to discuss such a hot topic. There's an amazing amount of misinformation out there, it's quite sickening. Can we just agree that it's very unlikely that anyone really knows for sure what happened, and leave it at that? Please?
Maybe the most constructive thing anyone could do is read the NIST report on WTC1+2 as well as the WTC7 report. It's a lot of material but it is the least anyone could do before arriving at any particular conclusion. Another material that you might find informative are the talks by Daniele Ganser on that topic. What he does is classify the various versions of the events, the bits and pieces of information, and put the in contrast to each other. He's not saying "this is what happened" or "this did NOT happen that way". He's also doing quite a good job at examining the phenomenon of this being a taboo subject to talk about, as anyone who questions the official conspiracy theory is kinda sorta being put into a particular corner, right next to the guys who think that the NSA might be recording everything...
But yeah, wrong forum for this.
As for the idea of false flag operations in the game itself, oh yes that would be awesome! This could be done via various missions you could pick up, perhaps you fly with a different ship acting as someone else so they get blamed, and then perhaps your employer might try to kill you to tie up any loose ends. So you might have these hugely rewarding contracts but there's a chance your employer doesn't really plan to pay in the end, at least not the way you want
Mind you, I don't think ANY forum is suitable to discuss such a hot topic. There's an amazing amount of misinformation out there, it's quite sickening. Can we just agree that it's very unlikely that anyone really knows for sure what happened, and leave it at that? Please?
Maybe the most constructive thing anyone could do is read the NIST report on WTC1+2 as well as the WTC7 report. It's a lot of material but it is the least anyone could do before arriving at any particular conclusion. Another material that you might find informative are the talks by Daniele Ganser on that topic. What he does is classify the various versions of the events, the bits and pieces of information, and put the in contrast to each other. He's not saying "this is what happened" or "this did NOT happen that way". He's also doing quite a good job at examining the phenomenon of this being a taboo subject to talk about, as anyone who questions the official conspiracy theory is kinda sorta being put into a particular corner, right next to the guys who think that the NSA might be recording everything...
But yeah, wrong forum for this.
As for the idea of false flag operations in the game itself, oh yes that would be awesome! This could be done via various missions you could pick up, perhaps you fly with a different ship acting as someone else so they get blamed, and then perhaps your employer might try to kill you to tie up any loose ends. So you might have these hugely rewarding contracts but there's a chance your employer doesn't really plan to pay in the end, at least not the way you want
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