Correct. What you're trying to say is that telepresence needs low latency FTL comms, not necessarily low bandwidth (ie you need low pings for telepresence).
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Correct. What you're trying to say is that telepresence needs low latency FTL comms, not necessarily low bandwidth (ie you need low pings for telepresence).
Look, really and honestly, the only reason I got involved in this thread is because someone said FTL Comms doesn't exist within Elite...and I wanted to show that Frontier have confirmed it does exist.
I really haven't thought about this subject beyond that.
I've no idea how or why fictional technology does or doesn't work. Personally I don't care, although I do totally respect that many other people do care - and I would never tell them to not care.
I just wanted to highlight that saying "FTL Comms" do not exist within Elite is demonstrably wrong. I had no desire to get involved in this thread beyond that one simple point.
My guess is that Frontier is stupid enough to believe that they are making a game and not making better than life which some people here seem to want them to do.
Im beginning to worry that an awful lot of people here have never heard of suspension of disbelief and truly believe that Frontier need to explain everything in the game and justify it within the games lore.
Yup a silly but needed system to stop players from annoying each other, as with blocking the letterbox.
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But we still can't get our ship to remember prices from the last station we were at?
I really haven't thought about this subject beyond that.
And that my smooth-voiced friend is what we're trying to say - the whole telepresence thing seems to be a not very well thought-out solution. It superficially fixes the immediate problem, but has a lot of unfortunate ramifications that don't seem to have been realized by FDev.
I know that is what you were saying, that is why I said I agreed with the points raised about inconsistency!!
That isn't why I got involved in the thread!! [haha][haha]
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The problem is that many of us tried to shut down this nonsense when it started, and thought it was gone for good because we didn't hear a peep for 2 years.
Don't get me wrong, I used to have a lark arguing with armchair physicists about whether or not FTL communication was even possible, in favor of yes, but I'd also turn around in that same conversation and shoot down any possibility of FTL communication existing in ED because everything about the game is built with the explicit concept of the technology not existing.
Even assuming that FTL communication was massively expensive, look at the value of information in a modern economy. Some information is literally, quantifiably priceless.
Those Mega-ships we just had a reveal on? Even if it took entire fleets of those things to enable an FTL communications network and that was their only purpose for existing they would be a bargain. Every faction would be manufacturing them in droves as a means of gaining information network superiority. Even with low bandwidth There is no evidence of FTL communications networks anywhere. Not in the game, not in Elite lore, nothing.
We started laying copper lines down on the ocean floors to enable trans-continental telegraphy in the 1850's. Can you imagine how expensive it was to put wires in between continents back then? Yet it was considered, and proven to be, a wise investment.
And low bandwidth doesn't mean slow communication either. Cryptography has come a long way. Algorithms allow us to compress information even when it's being delivered a single bit at a time. 1 bit transferred does not mean 1 bit of information received. With the correct algorithms it can translate to 10 bits of actual information or even 100.
Then you take and apply that to other existing technologies. There are an innumerable number of ways to automate the process even given current technological limitations, forgetting what practical applicable technology advancements would have naturally occurred over the next 1300 years.
There's just no way to reconcile FTL communication with the world of Elite as it is presented.
which in fact creates more holes than it fixes.
If 'multi'Crew is staffed by telepresence why commander isn't and even more why NPCs aren't??
Keep the lore in a better logical condition in future; the holes and gaps have a high level inflation
right now when explaining new features.
Sometimes placement of the options can help to reduce confusion and this type of dicussion.
If you twist and bend the logic that much, confidence in our persistant universeis shrinking.
I am sure you can do better.
Regards,
Miklos
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The Elite galaxy is presented as having FTL communication, so it is 100% consistent for the Elite galaxy to have FTL communication.
If the Elite galaxy did not have FTL communication, that would in fact be inconsistent with the Elite galaxy as presented, where, in fact, FTL communication is a thing.
Source: I played the game with other people and have communicated with them instantly in other systems.
Do you just not pay attention to the chat box, wing invites, voice chat or Galnet?
Indeed. Michael Brookes confirms FTL comms in 2014 as a part of the lore (and there are probably earlier mentions too). Then in 2017 that lore is used to explain multi-crew holograms. Seems fine to me.
but its still impossible to transfer Station nearby market data (possibly within the same system),which is plain text to be available at Stations.
Must be the large amount of data exhausting 'Low bandwidth' in contrast to holograms.
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Miklos
I wasn't arguing the feasibility of FTL Comms, just that Frontier confirms it exists. And I couldn't possibly begin to explain what form a technology 1300 years in the future would actually take, how it would be represented, or how it would function, or even the cost of developing that fictional technology. I do appreciate your position though, and the extent of your reply.
And the fact Mission NPCs can communicate with me instantly (in the message comms) no matter how far from their home system I travel.
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These are gameplay contrivances in order to deliver the desired gameplay experience
You do know what gameplay is right?
Yeah, often with pictures even.
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Quite. The explanations offered for lore sake are worse than not having any. Its actually getting quite confusing, telepresence, holograms, crew that are on the ship, but we aren't.. So inconsistent. As you say, call it commander creator. I'm not even going to ask where in the cosmos my commander actually is. [wacky]
I have to agree here. I'm glad we have the character creator, and I love all the options, but I think FD just gave a lot of people something to complain about with how they're implementing this feature. Just putting it in settings or as an option before you actually load your game would've side- stepped a lot of this criticism. This really didn't need an in-game reason.
Absolutely - its getting "third Matrix movie plot" lvl of confusing atm...
And yet they've confirmed it doesn't exist. There is no evidence in Elite: Dangerous that FTL comms exist beyond gameplay elements such as mission status, GNN, the galaxy map, etc..... None of which have anything to do with the world, and everything to do with a video game needing to be playable and functional.
Look at the world. There is no FTL communication. EVERYTHING is designed around it's absence, not it's presence.