Fer de lance and expected python nerf

[Ltd.Dan]

Why does everybody think its a GREAT TRADER?
I dont get it it...It isnt for the pricetag. Crappy jumprange and not enough cargo for its pricetag. So why does everybody says that? Maybe its because the decision of that guys was to bounty hunt exclusivly and im okay with that...But its not a great trader. It makes good money but in relation to its upcoming speed, manuverability its very bad for 75mill...So what to do with it? Bountyhunting alone in open play is too risky mainly because of the manuverability (speed) and trading makes only sense if u see it as stepping stone to a type 9...A clipper is a better trader in comparison for the pricetag. 240 cargo for 37mill less...Good deal...
In the end we all have to wait for the changes but the numbers still look terrible to me...

 

[wanszai]

Perhaps if we all complain enough, we can get them to make all the ships have the same stats, dump outfitting altogether and maybes even push for it to be turn based combat.

On a serious note though, dont you think they should maybe add some content that matches the larger ships before nerfing the actual ships?

Sure the big ships are over powered compared to small ones, and the python should be awesome for the credits spent on it. For all we know if they introduce more "end game" content or even tiered bountys... our big guns might be nerfed to the point of being obsolete.

Sorry im stoned and it makes more sense in my head ;P

 

[CMDR Mini]

Most of the whiners on here don't even own a Python. So they have not grinded for it and are green with envy. 'QQ my Viper got owned by a Python QQ'. Go grind one then ask for a nerf!

I'm going to wait to see what FD do about the Python, and if it is too harsh (yes companies in the past listen to whiners then regret doing it later then use the buff-bat!) then there'd better be an upside. Presently there is so little to the game that grinding for good ships is the ONLY good thing. Over to you FD !

Exactly, you will not hear "Cobra is too good for a multi-purpose ship, nerf it" from these people, beacause they all can buy it.
But if it wasn't the case and the cost was higher, I am sure we could hear them.

 

[mongo2006]

The Python is too agile for its size, and the shields have been acknowledged as being out of whack compared to where it should be.

The balancing is going to continue until FD have a fair few more ships in; I'd expect things to settle down once we see the next 7 or 8 ships come in (for the existing ships anyway) as the various roles are filled out. Sometimes it'll be buffs, other times it will be nerfs. Sorry if it upsets you but this is still early in the evolution of this game and changes like this will happen.

How can you balance the Python against something that doesn't exist in the game yet. If all the other ships that came before it where unbalanced then it's a good guess all the ships that come after it will be unbalanced too... why not wait until we have those ships before they start hacking away at the Python.. Which brings up another point why don't we already know the capabilities of the coming ships... if this is about lore then where is this book of lore so we can read it so it's no shock?

I just don't see how you can say the Python is too fast or too good when there is NO SHIP to COMPARE it to.... A pilot in a 7,000,000 chump change Viper should have his head examined for shooting a 180,000,000 Python...Balance that out....you simply can't do it because the ships are at-least 2 classes of ships apart

 

[Hooplah]

Why are we even here...The PvPers got their wish and FD plans to nerf the Python. Some say including MB that it was FD's intention all along but that is not realistic. What would have been the outcome if no one had ever complained about it and everyone loved it? No, PVP in part got it's way. Thus the precedent has been set to pave the way for all future changes devoted entirely to PVP. A lot of the features in the Elite games will never be implemented as they all have to pass through the PVP filter first.

Elite Lore? The Python was a big lumbering mediocre trader at best. It was shaped like a Suveyor's plumb bob and was never as popular as the Panther Clipper. The ED Python is an awesome looking ship with a very agressive styling. It is a crime to reduce its capabilities to anything remotely close to the Python before it. Heck change the name to Agressor then go make an actual Python.

Many players go on about how they have a great time with the small ships, take on all the different careers, and don't care about making credits. Then then next line is about how the Python should be nerfed...A ship they have never flown and probably never will. How would it go over if their favorite ship was nerfed or even deleted from the game? Would they be happy? Would they feel good about the future of the game? This decision hurts people in more ways than just game play.

So I'm losing interest flying the Lakon Type-9 at the moment. What the point? It's now all about small ships anyway. The Python won't be all that great when I can buy it again. A part of the game I love is being taken away from me. So I fear that the game is going to eventually end up PvP or nothing as Solo will be so limited. That is sad.

 

[Aleksej]

How can you balance the Python against something that doesn't exist in the game yet. If all the other ships that came before it where unbalanced then it's a good guess all the ships that come after it will be unbalanced too... why not wait until we have those ships before they start hacking away at the Python.. Which brings up another point why don't we already know the capabilities of the coming ships... if this is about lore then where is this book of lore so we can read it so it's no shock?

I just don't see how you can say the Python is too fast or too good when there is NO SHIP to COMPARE it to.... A pilot in a 7,000,000 chump change Viper should have his head examined for shooting a 180,000,000 Python...Balance that out....you simply can't do it because the ships are at-least 2 classes of ships apart

Maxed Python costs less than 300M Cr, whereas maxed Anaconda costs about 700-800M Cr. So according to your logic a Python should never be able to take out an Anaconda?

 

[jgm]

How can you balance the Python against something that doesn't exist in the game yet. If all the other ships that came before it where unbalanced then it's a good guess all the ships that come after it will be unbalanced too... why not wait until we have those ships before they start hacking away at the Python.. Which brings up another point why don't we already know the capabilities of the coming ships... if this is about lore then where is this book of lore so we can read it so it's no shock?

I just don't see how you can say the Python is too fast or too good when there is NO SHIP to COMPARE it to.... A pilot in a 7,000,000 chump change Viper should have his head examined for shooting a 180,000,000 Python...Balance that out....you simply can't do it because the ships are at-least 2 classes of ships apart

I can't balance it but the devs can. They probably don't have exact numbers for the proposed ships but they do have a rough idea of where current and proposed ships should sit, and if there is a ship which sits a long way from where it should be they are better off correcting it now rather than later.

As to how I can say the Python is too agile (I said neither "fast" nor "good", by the way): I've flown one, and I've flown the ships around it. It stands out like a sore thumb in terms of it's agility (yaw excepted). Do I want my Python nerfed? Personally, no, but I believe that its agility is out of whack for the size of ship it is and can see why they're doing it.

 

[TheEponymousBob]

Why are we even here...The PvPers got their wish and FD plans to nerf the Python. Some say including MB that it was FD's intention all along but that is not realistic.

Why not? And why lie? And if FD are so malleable to outcries, why nerf the Python when the backlash against it is far louder than the calls for it ever were?

Isn't it just possible that MB said it was intended because... well... it was intended? That sounds more realistic to me.

 

[DimGook]

Why are we even here...The PvPers got their wish and FD plans to nerf the Python...

So I'm losing interest flying the Lakon Type-9 at the moment. What the point? It's now all about small ships anyway. The Python won't be all that great when I can buy it again. A part of the game I love is being taken away from me. So I fear that the game is going to eventually end up PvP or nothing as Solo will be so limited. That is sad.

Wait, you're upset the Python is being nerfed because... PVE? You actually worry that a nerfed Python is going to be not good against NPCs, when an Imperial Clipper is borderline overkill already for elite anacondas?

 

[Britannkic]

That is the thing: in the lore/earlier games/novels heavy traders have a very specific purpose. If you want to move 200+ tons of algae from one core world to another, you use a T9. But what if you need to transport a heavy load of pure gold, prototype technologies or other extremely high value commodities through high-risk anarchy systems? You would be a pirate magnete for lightyears around. It should be flat-out impossible to do that in a T6/7/9, and that is where the condie and python come in. Heavy duty freighters that can scare off any pirated drooling over what could be his early retirement at a beach villa.

And this is where the problems start: there is no danger. You don't need to use the Python for trading. You can mindlessly drag whatever you want wherever you want, and people are now expecting 2million/hour risk-free profits as if that is normal. So:

1) The Python's main role does not exist yet.
2) Risk-free trading is way too profitable.
3) Because of that other professions feel like unwanted step-children.
4) People are finding new uses for the Python, at which it is unexpectedly good.
5) FD notices this and 'corrects' the mistake.
6) People go nuts.

What needs to happen is anarchy systems should be much more dangerous and offer much better prices. That way normal 'carebear' trading is still possible but less profitable. Meanwhile the Python will serve the traders who like to live on the edge, and the now-vacant battleship role can be filled with a new, dedicated, ship. It will give more choices for all, balance things out nicely and will spice trading up for those who want to. Those who want to play Space Truck Simulator are unaffected as long as they stay out of anarchy systems. By the way, the above somewhat illustrates how interconnected everything is. Giving each ship its own place and function is very, very difficult and I really don't blame the devs for occasionally correcting things a bit. It is inevitable, really.

So this, from the Lore perspective, adds some sense and purpose to the Python but I'd also agree that you don't actually need a Python to do a Python's job given the Elite galaxy is nowhere near Dangerous ......yet

 

[Ian Skippy]

No, PVP in part got it's way. Thus the precedent has been set to pave the way for all future changes devoted entirely to PVP. A lot of the features in the Elite games will never be implemented as they all have to pass through the PVP filter first. How would it go over if their favorite ship was nerfed or even deleted from the game? Would they be happy?

So I fear that the game is going to eventually end up PvP or nothing as Solo will be so limited. That is sad.

Phew, luckily you managed to restrain the need to sprinkle your post with exaggerated claims.

 

[mongo2006]

Maxed Python costs less than 300M Cr, whereas maxed Anaconda costs about 700-800M Cr. So according to your logic a Python should never be able to take out an Anaconda?

Your are exactly right alone it shouldn't be able to even make a Ana breath hard.. so the Ana needs a buff..it's a end game ship.. right?

 

[Flyinpiranha]

Why not? And why lie? And if FD are so malleable to outcries, why nerf the Python when the backlash against it is far louder than the calls for it ever were?

Isn't it just possible that MB said it was intended because... well... it was intended? That sounds more realistic to me.

So if the PVPers didn't cry, it would have been changed anyway? I highly doubt that. Once the Python is nerfed they'll start crying for something else to be "toned down". That's just good PR speak. They had the numbers right there in front of them. The shield may have been an issue and I'll grant them that but maneuverability? Nah, that was because people whined.

And the "backlash against" is not that loud. There aren't many out there right now as it stands, even with that huge poll of 2500 pilots on Google Docs shows a vast majority of people are in Vipers and Cobras.

 

[SuBSynk]

Your are exactly right alone it shouldn't be able to even make a Ana breath hard.. so the Ana needs a buff..it's a end game ship.. right?

Nope because the Anaconda is not a fighter class craft either.

Now how about you get in game and we do some pvp ? Or do you only battle on the forums

 

[Khan]

So if the PVPers didn't cry, it would have been changed anyway? I highly doubt that. Once the Python is nerfed they'll start crying for something else to be "toned down". That's just good PR speak. They had the numbers right there in front of them. The shield may have been an issue and I'll grant them that but maneuverability? Nah, that was because people whined.

And the "backlash against" is not that loud. There aren't many out there right now as it stands, even with that huge poll of 2500 pilots on Google Docs shows a vast majority of people are in Vipers and Cobras.

There is already talk of nerfing the Cobra to be slower then the Viper after the Python changes. With the addition of the Vulture, expect that to last a week before crys of nerfing it into the ground start.

The whole game is going to be balanced around a ship (Viper) that you can get within a single day of play, and in the long run the population will suffer because of it.
Zero incentive to go past the Viper unless you either want to explore after a week of play (Asp) or want to watch your credit balance go up over a month via trade.

Really, we are looking on average 2 weeks of play time before running out of both content and enjoyment.
For an MMO, that's really bad.
For a single player game, even more so.

 

[Aleksej]

Your are exactly right alone it shouldn't be able to even make a Ana breath hard.. so the Ana needs a buff..it's a end game ship.. right?

Are you serious? There cannot be an end game ship and there will never be one.

 

[Vagabond]

Your are exactly right alone it shouldn't be able to even make a Ana breath hard.. so the Ana needs a buff..it's a end game ship.. right?

So every fight between two ships of different classes should be predetermined? Sounds fun...

 

[EddyRockSteady]

Gents, sit back, relax, take a breather and let's wait for next year this time when we can all brag and exchange stories about plinking Elite Condas in our sidewinders because that is where this is heading. It's a pity really but hey, it's Elite.

 

[DimGook]

I seriously don't understand people who don't PvP but still argue against Python nerf. Are those nerfs really taking away your enjoyment of bbqing Elite Anacondas in under 1 minute?

Or maybe you DO PvP but you just want an I win button because "I grinded for 3 weeks straight while poopsocking wahhhh"

 

[Vagabond]

There is already talk of nerfing the Cobra to be slower then the Viper after the Python changes.

The whole game is going to be balanced around a ship (Viper) that you can get within a single day of play, and in the long run the population will suffer because of it.

I've heard noise they gonna nerf the stations. Make it so the entrance only make fit for a sidewinder. It's a conspiracy, ya hear.