Fer de lance and expected python nerf

[Khan]

I've heard noise they gonna nerf the stations. Make it so the entrance only make fit for a sidewinder. It's a conspiracy, ya hear.

Considering current trends, it would not surprise me.

Just watch it happen.

I seriously don't understand people who don't PvP but still argue against Python nerf. Are those nerfs really taking away your enjoyment of bbqing Elite Anacondas in under 1 minute?

Or maybe you DO PvP but you just want an I win button because "I grinded for 3 weeks straight while poopsocking wahhhh"

Elite Condas last less then half a minute.

What I want is a reason to go past the Viper for anything not Trade. Not an I win button that can be acquired in under a day and has the game balanced around it with the false pretense of "Skill" shrouding it. Its not like the PVE content is going to scale any time soon, I'm making the same amount of money in a Python as I was in a Viper, just some 40k more an hour then before.

 

[EddyRockSteady]

....but you just want an I win button...

ROFL so if I am stoopid enough to take on a M1 in my Bradley and get my ass handed to me the M1 driver all of a sudden has an 'IWin' button?

OK then......I see clearly now

 

[mongo2006]

Are you serious? There cannot be an end game ship and there will never be one.

So if the Ana isn't one of the end game ships then why is ED so concerned about the cries of people who will never make 20,000,000 before they run off to another game. Python pilots should be certified crazy to attack a Ana alone, Viper and cobra pilots should die attacking a Python alone...if you disagree with that logic please explain the cost of the Python.. it's not the best trader, not going to be the best fighter, not the best multi-role.. but 56m to 300m cost

 

[Ozrix]

Why are we even here...The PvPers got their wish and FD plans to nerf the Python. Some say including MB that it was FD's intention all along but that is not realistic. What would have been the outcome if no one had ever complained about it and everyone loved it? No, PVP in part got it's way. Thus the precedent has been set to pave the way for all future changes devoted entirely to PVP. A lot of the features in the Elite games will never be implemented as they all have to pass through the PVP filter first.

Elite Lore? The Python was a big lumbering mediocre trader at best. It was shaped like a Suveyor's plumb bob and was never as popular as the Panther Clipper. The ED Python is an awesome looking ship with a very agressive styling. It is a crime to reduce its capabilities to anything remotely close to the Python before it. Heck change the name to Agressor then go make an actual Python.

Many players go on about how they have a great time with the small ships, take on all the different careers, and don't care about making credits. Then then next line is about how the Python should be nerfed...A ship they have never flown and probably never will. How would it go over if their favorite ship was nerfed or even deleted from the game? Would they be happy? Would they feel good about the future of the game? This decision hurts people in more ways than just game play.

So I'm losing interest flying the Lakon Type-9 at the moment. What the point? It's now all about small ships anyway. The Python won't be all that great when I can buy it again. A part of the game I love is being taken away from me. So I fear that the game is going to eventually end up PvP or nothing as Solo will be so limited. That is sad.

It's World of Warcraft all over again. I don't blame the developer though, they don't know of any other solutions. In a sense, it's out of Frontier's control. I expect the constant change of ship specs to become commonplace as the game moves more toward being multiplayer.

 

[DimGook]

What I want is a reason to go past the Viper for combat. Not an I win button that can be acquired in under a day and has the game balanced around it.

It's true in PvE you don't really need (or want) to go past the Viper. In fact I would argue the Python as it is is also useless for PvE because the fuel costs and repair bills are enormous. This is more of a problem with AI and mission balance rather than a specific ship.

If you're saying you want a reason to go past Viper for PVP combat, I seriously doubt all the Cobra and Asp PVP pilots flying around agree with you.

 

[Ozrix]

In fact I would argue the Python as it is is also useless for PvE because the fuel costs and repair bills are enormous.

By the time you have a Python, earning money for the upkeep isn't a biggie at all. In a PVE environment, the Python would in fact be desirable in warzones.

 

[Aleksej]

So if the Ana isn't one of the end game ships then why is ED so concerned about the cries of people who will never make 20,000,000 before they run off to another game. Python pilots should be certified crazy to attack a Ana alone, Viper and cobra pilots should die attacking a Python alone...if you disagree with that logic please explain the cost of the Python.. it's not the best trader, not going to be the best fighter, not the best multi-role.. but 56m to 300m cost

Even after the balancing it is going to remain the ship to be feared of. And once again - ED is meant to be played for years and this can only be insured if there is a sense of owning different ships and being able to use them the way you like. A superior ship that would outclass any other ship will make any game boring. Everyone would just fly this ship.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Yes, the end is nigh! Surely, if you make one ship slightly less agile than sidewinders will one-shot everything! There is no hope for the human race!

What I want is a reason to go past the Viper for anything not Trade. Not an I win button that can be acquired in under a day and has the game balanced around it with the false pretense of "Skill" shrouding it.

The announced Vulture seems vastly superior to the Viper, and it is intended to be so. The Viper is terrible at exploration due to limited jump range, and due to limited cargo it isn't much for piracy or mining either. Why do so many people lose all perspective when one ship gets tweaked a bit? Just say:"currently the Viper is the only dedicated combat ship, I want more/better ships for that." That would actually make sense, and FD announced they will change that.

 

[Khan]

It's true in PvE you don't really need (or want) to go past the Viper. In fact I would argue the Python as it is is also useless for PvE because the fuel costs and repair bills are enormous. This is more of a problem with AI and mission balance rather than a specific ship.

If you're saying you want a reason to go past Viper for PVP combat, I seriously doubt all the Cobra and Asp PVP pilots flying around agree with you.

The Cobra is within the price range to be reasonable(Two days of play, lordy lord) and the Asp is so marginally better then the Viper you need to shell out 20 million to make it happen *Suddenly a month of combat play* (40 more shield strength and anther set of class 1 guns)

The Python as it is now is almost good enough to want to work for, but after this its just another trade ship. Even then, outfitting it for combat from an Asp is from 20 million to 120 million, if you are truly interested in bring it to combat.

For the time investment, nothing is worth it past the Asp. The game is balanced around a stick that is only an inch long.

Yes, the end is nigh! Surely, if you make one ship slightly less agile than sidewinders will one-shot everything! There is no hope for the human race!



The announced Vulture seems vastly superior to the Viper, and it is intended to be so. The Viper is terrible at exploration due to limited jump range, and due to limited cargo it isn't much for piracy or mining either. Why do so many people lose all perspective when one ship gets tweaked a bit? Just say:"currently the Viper is the only dedicated combat ship, I want more/better ships for that." That would actually make sense, and FD announced they will change that.

Another ship for around 10 million or so does not address the base issue. Even if its straight up better then the Viper, the goal post is only going to shift a foot into the correct direction. There would be no reason to go past it instead of the Viper.

The one inch stick becomes three, wile traders can enjoy a fully fleshed out ship selection and credit scaling.
Hauling goods from one station to another without anything else for the rest of eternity.

These are the kind of things that should be looked at before PVP balance can even be considered.

 

[mongo2006]

I seriously don't understand people who don't PvP but still argue against Python nerf. Are those nerfs really taking away your enjoyment of bbqing Elite Anacondas in under 1 minute?

Or maybe you DO PvP but you just want an I win button because "I grinded for 3 weeks straight while poopsocking wahhhh"

Or maybe you don't have the money to buy one and don't want others to have one.... Look.. I am a PVP'er, Python, Viper, Cobra, don't matter to me for heads up combat But you don't call Ana's OP because you can kill them and not many own them... but Pythons are OP because more people are starting to buy them and you can't kill them so easily.... you know what that is... Jealousy and that has nothing to do with PVP... and just because you PVP don't make you a PVP'er

 

[SuBSynk]

The Cobra is within the price range to be reasonable(Two days of play, lordy lord) and the Asp is so marginally better then the Viper you need to shell out 20 million to make it happen *Suddenly a month of combat play* (40 more shield strength and anther set of class 1 guns)

The Python as it is now is almost good enough to want to work for, but after this its just another trade ship. Even then, outfitting it for combat from an Asp is from 20 million to 120 million.
For the time investment, nothing is worth it past the Asp. The game is balanced around a stick that is only an inch long.



Another ship for around 10 million does not address the base issue. Even if its stright up better then the Viper, the goal post is only going to shift a foot into the correct direction.

When the Vulture comes out then it will make these multi-role or explorer ships that players have been trying to make into dedicated fighters look weak and way over priced for their combat worthiness.

 

[kelticfury]

You're not good at using Python, you're good at using Shield Cell. This is totally different.

Wow! The python can carry 5 hrs worth of shield cells? No wonder its getting adjusted!

 

[Shintai]

The Python talk still going on?

I kinda accepted it and moved on (Still flying it.). The jumprange, fuel cost and repair cost could use some anti nerfing tho. And maybe speed and shield may get a tad up again.

 

[DaveB]

ROFL so if I am stoopid enough to take on a M1 in my Bradley and get my ass handed to me the M1 driver all of a sudden has an 'IWin' button?

OK then......I see clearly now

It's the gunner who has the "IWin" button in that fight - I believe it's called a "trigger" or something like that... and I seriously doubt there'd be enough left of it to hand back to you

 

[Khan]

When the Vulture comes out then it will make these multi-role or explorer ships that players have been trying to make into dedicated fighters look weak and way over priced for their combat worthiness.

That only shifts the goal post as I said previously.

The addition of the Vulture is going to move the common core of fighter craft over to it, and there would be even less of a reason to go past it.
Turning the inch long stick into a three incher does not address the base problem of needing a pole around three feet to reach the object in question, being the Python in its current state.

Until that canyon wide gap is rectified, there is very little reason to attempt to balance the carrot to be more in line with the base of the shaft, with no replacement in sight.
All the above is just talk regarding the price of these ships, not about performance or if one ship is to good for its role, that is the kicker.

 

[TheEponymousBob]

So if the PVPers didn't cry, it would have been changed anyway? I highly doubt that.

Again, why?

And the "backlash against" is not that loud. There aren't many out there right now as it stands, even with that huge poll of 2500 pilots on Google Docs shows a vast majority of people are in Vipers and Cobras.

Tell that to the mods who keep having to merge threads. Personally the first I heard about python balancing was this thread, so if this isn't loud, the PvP lot must've been near silent. I remain of the opinion that Occam could do with a shave.

 

[darshu]

Even after the balancing it is going to remain the ship to be feared of. And once again - ED is meant to be played for years and this can only be insured if there is a sense of owning different ships and being able to use them the way you like. A superior ship that would outclass any other ship will make any game boring. Everyone would just fly this ship.

What makes a game boring is playing it for 2 days and having nothing to look forward to. Currently the only reason to become a trader is to be able to buy the next trade ship. So once you reach a type9 or anaconda you can go back to the ship you got on day 2...

 

[mongo2006]

Even after the balancing it is going to remain the ship to be feared of. And once again - ED is meant to be played for years and this can only be insured if there is a sense of owning different ships and being able to use them the way you like. A superior ship that would outclass any other ship will make any game boring. Everyone would just fly this ship.

Ok I agree with the logic, that's not the issue... you have not answered my question nor even tried to justify 56,000,000 to 300,000,000 for a mediocre ship that looks like a fighter but's being made into a lousy trader when you can buy the best fighter for less and a better trader for a little more.... DEATH OF A PYTHON

 

[Omnar_Grezrad]

Gents, sit back, relax, take a breather and let's wait for next year this time when we can all brag and exchange stories about plinking Elite Condas in our sidewinders because that is where this is heading. It's a pity really but hey, it's Elite.

lolz well said ! impliment wings before deciding a ship costing over 5mill to respawn is over kill when faced with "wing's" of sidewinders ^^

same goes for chaff and gimbled .... i mean omg i have to make an effort to win *sniff*

 

[Jorlin]

Hull mass only roughly relates to size. The total mass after it has an appropriate loadout is better for comparison purposes. The python is like a slim Type 9, definitely a large ship.

sorry if i go so far back in this thread... but it just crossed my mind:

Is it really considered as a "large ship" in regards of weapon efficiency?
Do small/medium weapons have a reduced effect on it?

Edit: nothing personal... really. But maybe check the code first