Well the situation we have now is that EDO buyers are either the victims of a low effort cash grab or incompetence and negligence.
Though there are always those who blame the victim.
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Though there are always those who blame the victim.
Please stop responding to me if you cannot comprehend what I am saying.
Bye.
To be fair, judging from the releases of the past year or so, and the crazy high turn over rate, it was pretty obvious what kind of launch we were going to get, even before the bait n switch Alpha planet tech that was "optimized" out of existence. So I do take some responsibility, since I knew better. It was obvious that I should have waited a year or two for them to hammer out the bugs they actually thought were fixable and to see if the game was actually better or worse than Horizons. My purchase was impulsive and yeah I regret it a little, but whatever it's only $40, I'm not going to cry about it. Plenty of other actually functional sims in their own renaissance right now.
In a year or so, Elite will be in roughly the same place it would have been if they had left it in the oven for a year. So really, what's the point of getting mad about it?
I cancelled my pre-order as soon as Alpha phase 2 hit, but I guess people get mad because if one pays for a product today, one expects to use it today. It's not an investment to have returns from in one year. It's a released product.
Others are mad because the Odyssey release damaged Horizons-only users already. No more instancing with half the squad, FC upkeep increased, commodity prices tanked, FCs can't jump, etc. And even for players with no plans on buying Odyssey, they new terrible UI will be forced onto us all. Not good.
I don't know. I wouldn't throw around blame at all, to be honest. Doesn't help anyway.
Something went wrong at Frontier's, that's a fact. Rest is speculation.
Running stuff on test servers and adding it to the live servers are two different things. A lot of this stuff they may not have seen. Not that I'm defending them, I just don't have enough intel to make an informed decision.
I was fully expecting thing to not go smoothly considering they have all been working from home for a long time now.
Outrage culture. Must be blaming something, must be hating someone. It's really pitiful the extent of energy and time some folks will spend on it. The alpha was there, plus many recent examples of why not to pre-order games, if you're supporting pre-orders to be later throwing hissy fits about launch not being perfection incarnate, you're unfortunately being part of the problem.
I prefer to look at it this way. Game I spent thousands of hours in has asked for an additional $40 for DLC and continued updates. Sure, count me in, I'm in for the long run anyway. They don't do monthly fees or pay to win, yet have been able to work on this game for more than 6 years already.
I prefer to look at it this way. Game I spent thousands of hours in has asked for an additional $40 for DLC and continued updates. Sure, count me in, I'm in for the long run anyway. They don't do monthly fees or pay to win, yet have been able to work on this game for more than 6 years already.
I had a great time in ED: Odyssey last night. Will be having a more thorough play through today.
Sadly you are correct, that and schadenfreude appear to be the new norm.
Edit: Oh yes, and I'm also enjoying the game. It has problems that need addressing ASAP, but saying that it was deliberate etc is rather naive.
Edit 2: This seems appropriate somehow
That's life
That's what all the people say
You're riding high in April
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune
When I'm back on top, back on top in June
I said that's life
And as funny as it may seem
Some people get their kicks
Stomping on a dream
But I don't let it, let it get me down
'Cause this fine old world
It keeps spinning around
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Well it's not a £37 billion track and trace system so lets keep it in perspective.
I could understand that if was only performance issues and technical issues, it is getting out of hand in game industry but it is understandable, however with Odyssey there are so many design issues that had been brought up during "alpha" and were not corrected for the release. It is inexcusable.
The design issues are generally subjective. I personally like the new UI changes, they just need a bit of getting used to. But some bits seem to be not working properly, so hopefully they will get fixed soon and there are a few bits of info that is difficult to see, which will helpfully be added in.
But I'm really enjoying the gameplay at the moment.
The irony of that end-tag is, of course, that Odyssey is the bit of the game that isn't in space!
(Even if it has also screwed up the rest of the game that is.)
Nice! I am going to write a bill ... how much is the ususal rate per hour for beta testing?
This is my take on the release. Normally when games are released you have an Alpha release to fix any major bugs, and then you have a beta test to pick up any bugs missed in the alpha AFAIK. So expecting EDO to come flawlessly out of Alpha is a bit of a no go. At least it's not the total car crash that the original No Man's Sky release was.
lol Well Quality Assurance is an entry level job but I'd imagine $12-16 an hour depending on your experience. So lets start sending them invoices =)
I'm sorry, I cannot get behind that attitude. I hope Frontier get over this rocky patch and make good, and reap the rewards of what is a hell of an ambitious project.
How are you hoping they pay? Financially? Reputation? Don't you think that would possibly make it less likely that they will be able to work on fixes?
People are acting as if Odyssey is the end of the world or something. I've been playing it for a few hours and I honestly don't see anything that isn't fixable. Granted I have a high spec machine to play on, but even so I think people really need to step outside and take a breath of fresh air and get some perspective.
Elite is an incredibly ambitions project. Odyssey multiplies that by x10. There are bound to be launch problems. They could have delayed the launch - but they would literally never be able to fix everything. How long do you delay for? A week? A month? A Star Citizen?
As a software developer (as am I) you should know that the best way to actually ship is to have a hard deadline, and then cut features to fit. It looks like there are things that were cut that they aren't talking about (on foot Thargoids, more SRVs, Panther Clipper, etc). These will arrive in time, once the main game is stabilised more.
That is legitimately the worst game review I've ever read. Not the game - the review."One slimy leap." - PC GAMER
" I hate it." - PC GAMER
I was the first ever person to walk on this gross, wet planet in Elite Dangerous: Odyssey
One slimy leap.www.pcgamer.com
I am tired listening to Whiteknights in every single game that has had a rough release. Yes, its complex, yes we knew it before and yes we release anyway to get the money before we have a finished product, but we release it of course for the full price without labeling it early access. And yes, we made an alpha, skipped the beta and just had two weeks between alpha and release and therefore no time to fix the 2000 bugs that were reported, sorry for that.
Sorry but simply stop posting about complex products - stop it.
Patience is the key at this time.
It would have been better if FDev where honest and labelled this May release as the Beta it so clearly is - but investors and shareholders don't give a crap about the actual game or the players - they were clearly promised a 'Full Release Date' and FDev missed it - but management released anyway to keep them happy.
I blame the top tier management - just like for CP 2077.
Ultimately I see 4 issues:
1) The bugs - to be expected - it's beta - they will be patched and hot fixed out in the coming weeks ( at least most of them - some will linger for years like some Horizons bugs )
2) The Servers - all the new systems and server loads will stabilise over the next week or so.
3) The optimisations - I'm seeing none at all from Alpha to Beta - my FPS is 100FPS lower on the ground when compared to Horizons at the same location. This has to be fixed - I'm sure this will be fixed, it's just a matter of time.
4) The design issues - these worry me the most because they are not really bugs - just really bad design choices.
a) The new UI - a few minor tweaks but is basically the same as Alpha - someone actually thinks these designs are an improvement - they are not - some of it is subjective - but mostly it's functionality changes for the worse that need to be acknowledged and fixed. Looking at any side-by-side screenshots of the Galmap or System Map I definitely prefer the Horizons versions for both functionality and ascetically.
b) Instancing - It's always been bad - it's something FDev never talk about ( in terms of "we know it's bad and we are going to fix it" ) but every live stream they do they hit instancing issues. Even the other week with two CM's playing by themselves on the then closed Alpha servers - they literally had the Alpha servers to themselves, still they had issues getting instanced!!! Now we have missions on ground that are really hard to do 'single player' - but teaming up is failing more than it's working and even if it works you can't share the mission rewards.
c) The fact we get a nice animation to transition from Cockpit to SRV or Cockpit to SLF - transition to OnFoot we get a fade to black and a magic teleporter to the ground - There is NO Neil Armstrong moment - that is a broken promise from FDev and a lazy choice.
d) Exploration - Explorers do the DSS, this overlays an Ugly terrible looking low res heat map(when I did it went completely flat blue almost, just a few little patches of white - a tiny improvement over the bright green we got in Alpha), by default we have look this ugly heat map almost all the way down to the planet surface. So we don't get to see any nice planet surfaces features as we approach ( unless we switch to 'combat mode' ! ) once landed we walk up to get a generic sample of something by just point-n-click with yet another 'scanner' ( repeat twice more after running or driving a certain 'unknown' distance from the sample to get another one ) BUT we can only collect one sample type at a time! so if there two or more different plants together we can only do one of them ( at 3 locations ) then do the next ( at 3 locations ) it's a crazy stupid game loop that is just not worth the effort.
I can't comment on the FPS pew pew because the ground mission I took, took me to a base where I couldn't disembark due to unsafe temperatures ! so mission was impossible and frustrating so I quit playing for the night.
It would have been better if FDev where honest and labelled this May release as the Beta it so clearly is - but investors and shareholders don't give a crap about the actual game or the players - they were clearly promised a 'Full Release Date' and FDev missed it - but management released anyway to keep them happy.
I blame the top tier management - just like for CP 2077.
Ultimately I see 4 issues:
1) The bugs - to be expected - it's beta - they will be patched and hot fixed out in the coming weeks ( at least most of them - some will linger for years like some Horizons bugs )
2) The Servers - all the new systems and server loads will stabilise over the next week or so.
3) The optimisations - I'm seeing none at all from Alpha to Beta - my FPS is 100FPS lower on the ground when compared to Horizons at the same location. This has to be fixed - I'm sure this will be fixed, it's just a matter of time.
4) The design issues - these worry me the most because they are not really bugs - just really bad design choices.
a) The new UI - a few minor tweaks but is basically the same as Alpha - someone actually thinks these designs are an improvement - they are not - some of it is subjective - but mostly it's functionality changes for the worse that need to be acknowledged and fixed. Looking at any side-by-side screenshots of the Galmap or System Map I definitely prefer the Horizons versions for both functionality and ascetically.
b) Instancing - It's always been bad - it's something FDev never talk about ( in terms of "we know it's bad and we are going to fix it" ) but every live stream they do they hit instancing issues. Even the other week with two CM's playing by themselves on the then closed Alpha servers - they literally had the Alpha servers to themselves, still they had issues getting instanced!!! Now we have missions on ground that are really hard to do 'single player' - but teaming up is failing more than it's working and even if it works you can't share the mission rewards.
c) The fact we get a nice animation to transition from Cockpit to SRV or Cockpit to SLF - transition to OnFoot we get a fade to black and a magic teleporter to the ground - There is NO Neil Armstrong moment - that is a broken promise from FDev and a lazy choice.
d) Exploration - Explorers do the DSS, this overlays an Ugly terrible looking low res heat map(when I did it went completely flat blue almost, just a few little patches of white - a tiny improvement over the bright green we got in Alpha), by default we have look this ugly heat map almost all the way down to the planet surface. So we don't get to see any nice planet surfaces features as we approach ( unless we switch to 'combat mode' ! ) once landed we walk up to get a generic sample of something by just point-n-click with yet another 'scanner' ( repeat twice more after running or driving a certain 'unknown' distance from the sample to get another one ) BUT we can only collect one sample type at a time! so if there two or more different plants together we can only do one of them ( at 3 locations ) then do the next ( at 3 locations ) it's a crazy stupid game loop that is just not worth the effort.
I can't comment on the FPS pew pew because the ground mission I took, took me to a base where I couldn't disembark due to unsafe temperatures ! so mission was impossible and frustrating so I quit playing for the night.