Formidine Rift... what is it?

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Erm, I keep hearing mention of the RR line... yet I can't seem to find any post that says what that is. I thought it might appear on Erimus' map thread, but didn't even see mention there.

Could someone explain this for me?
its a plotted line from reorte to riedquat and beyond.

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0,0015,86WISE JO521+1025
-1.000,00-766,95WREDGUIA XT-Z B 13-0
-2.000,00-1.549,75OUTORST NN-S C17-1
-3.000,00-2.332,56OUTORDY VM-Y B1
-4.000,00-3.115,36HEGAA BF-I B23-8
-5.000,00-3.898,17NGC 663 SECTOR FK-S B19-2
-6.000,00-4.680,97GLUDGOE NV-G B10-0next to heart&soul nebula
-7.000,00-5.463,78HYPOAE AIM XT-O B33-1behind heart&soul nebula
-8.000,00-6.246,58PHOI AESCS HS-W B56-0edge of the rift
-9.000,00-7.029,39PHOI AESCS SP-G C10-0inside the rift
-10.000,00-7.812,19HYPO AEB VP-G D10-9outer arm
-11.000,00-8.595,00SCHAFEAU DX-N B6-0
-12.000,00-9.377,80DRYAEA AIL NV-V B29-1
-13.000,00-10.160,61GRAEH KR-C C26-11
-14.000,00-10.943,41GRAEH ND-K C8-1
-15.000,00-11.726,22DRYEAE AEB QZ-O C19-1outer edge, probably unreachable
-16.000,00-12.509,02DRYO AEB NG-Y D1outer edge, probably unreachable
-17.000,00-13.291,83no stars
-18.000,00-14.074,63no stars
-19.000,00-14.857,44no stars
-20.000,00-15.640,24no stars

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earlier today i had a nice shower thought and i think i figured out why salomes ship is called the seven veils.

KGBFOAM

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if you remove them from the galaxy map you end up seeing "dark systems". so the 7 veils are 7 layers of stars that you have to remove in order to find what we are looking for.

so goddam simple....
 
its a plotted line from reorte to riedquat and beyond.

XY
0,0015,86WISE JO521+1025
-1.000,00-766,95WREDGUIA XT-Z B 13-0
-2.000,00-1.549,75OUTORST NN-S C17-1
-3.000,00-2.332,56OUTORDY VM-Y B1
-4.000,00-3.115,36HEGAA BF-I B23-8
-5.000,00-3.898,17NGC 663 SECTOR FK-S B19-2
-6.000,00-4.680,97GLUDGOE NV-G B10-0next to heart&soul nebula
-7.000,00-5.463,78HYPOAE AIM XT-O B33-1behind heart&soul nebula
-8.000,00-6.246,58PHOI AESCS HS-W B56-0edge of the rift
-9.000,00-7.029,39PHOI AESCS SP-G C10-0inside the rift
-10.000,00-7.812,19HYPO AEB VP-G D10-9outer arm
-11.000,00-8.595,00SCHAFEAU DX-N B6-0
-12.000,00-9.377,80DRYAEA AIL NV-V B29-1
-13.000,00-10.160,61GRAEH KR-C C26-11
-14.000,00-10.943,41GRAEH ND-K C8-1
-15.000,00-11.726,22DRYEAE AEB QZ-O C19-1outer edge, probably unreachable
-16.000,00-12.509,02DRYO AEB NG-Y D1outer edge, probably unreachable
-17.000,00-13.291,83no stars
-18.000,00-14.074,63no stars
-19.000,00-14.857,44no stars
-20.000,00-15.640,24no stars

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earlier today i had a nice shower thought and i think i figured out why salomes ship is called the seven veils.

KGBFOAM

1234567

if you remove them from the galaxy map you end up seeing "dark systems". so the 7 veils are 7 layers of stars that you have to remove in order to find what we are looking for.

so goddam simple....

Could you explain the 7 layers of stars and how to remove them a bit more please? I killed a lot of my brain cells as a kid drinking copious amounts of whisky.:)
 
earlier today i had a nice shower thought and i think i figured out why salomes ship is called the seven veils.

KGBFOAM

1234567

if you remove them from the galaxy map you end up seeing "dark systems". so the 7 veils are 7 layers of stars that you have to remove in order to find what we are looking for.

so goddam simple....

With this the whole veil thing actually makes sense! Now heres hoping this is true...
 
I very much like the idea that the date (Equinox) of Lady Kahina's visit to Earth and the place (London,Cambridge) are somehow significant. Repped!
Lady Kahina said about this visit that it was 'most enlightening'. Could it be that there is something very bright to be seen from there, on that date? (I have no idea about astronomy, so I am just thinking aloud.).
Such an interpretation would fit Drew's hint to 'watch Galnet' and 'read between the lines'...
 
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KGBFOAM is the classes of scoopable stars - check the Galaxy map; you can (un)check which star types you want to see.
 
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KGBFOAM is the classes of scoopable stars - check the Galaxy map; you can (un)check which star types you want to see.
Ohhh i see! All I can think about in the shower is scarlett Johansson in them tight leth......off topic. Rep for all. Makes a lot of sense.
 
Could you explain the 7 layers of stars and how to remove them a bit more please? I killed a lot of my brain cells as a kid drinking copious amounts of whisky.:)

KGBFOAM are the seven types of star that are scoop able in game. In your galactic map you can filter the stars by type, it is useful for explorers.

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its a plotted line from reorte to riedquat and beyond.

Earlier today i had a nice shower thought and i think i figured out why salomes ship is called the seven veils.

KGBFOAM
1234567

if you remove them from the galaxy map you end up seeing "dark systems". so the 7 veils are 7 layers of stars that you have to remove in order to find what we are looking for. so goddam simple....

Very good thinking. I still have a problem though, in that DB said some dark systems would not be shown (presumably he meant on the galmap).

05/06/2014, 2:34 PM in his Q&A https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=20371:
“Some "dark" systems will not be shown at all, until someone actively scans that area of space, and makes that information available – and without that information (which will be tradable) it will not be possible to travel through hyperspace to it.”

SO if the dark system doesn't show up in the galmap how can we travel to it? I think we have to travel to it to be able to scan it with the current ADS & DDS. Unless there really is a Guatamaya advanced scanner as per Kahina's ship outfitting - in which case how do I get one?????
 
Very good thinking. I still have a problem though, in that DB said some dark systems would not be shown (presumably he meant on the galmap).

05/06/2014, 2:34 PM in his Q&A https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=20371:
“Some "dark" systems will not be shown at all, until someone actively scans that area of space, and makes that information available – and without that information (which will be tradable) it will not be possible to travel through hyperspace to it.”

SO if the dark system doesn't show up in the galmap how can we travel to it? I think we have to travel to it to be able to scan it with the current ADS & DDS. Unless there really is a Guatamaya advanced scanner as per Kahina's ship outfitting - in which case how do I get one?????

There might still have been a mechanic they were considering at the time to allow this. Now it might simply be a need to be actually present in that region of space for it to show up.
 
Very good thinking. I still have a problem though, in that DB said some dark systems would not be shown (presumably he meant on the galmap).

05/06/2014, 2:34 PM in his Q&A https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=20371:
“Some "dark" systems will not be shown at all, until someone actively scans that area of space, and makes that information available – and without that information (which will be tradable) it will not be possible to travel through hyperspace to it.”

SO if the dark system doesn't show up in the galmap how can we travel to it? I think we have to travel to it to be able to scan it with the current ADS & DDS. Unless there really is a Guatamaya advanced scanner as per Kahina's ship outfitting - in which case how do I get one?????

It's likely that it would show up on your available routes in the navigation UI panel (the cockpit one, not the galaxy map) after using an advanced discovery scanner in a neighboring system.
 
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There might still have been a mechanic they were considering at the time to allow this. Now it might simply be a need to be actually present in that region of space for it to show up.
If they actually exist, which I'm doubtful...

About the KGBFOAM theory, although nice, I think might be misleading. The stars that stay visible are then Tauri's, non-sequence, carbon stars, etc... Basically special more rare stars, but none of them are actually dark systems. Now, a dark system could actually be one where the main object is a black hole, but I couldn't detect any in the rift. There is one in the outer arm though, but not on the RR-line. Also, dwarf planets have often been classified as dwarf stars, or dying stars, but with this, almost any Tauri star could be a candidate.
 
Which Cassiopeiae A is this?

Edit: got it.

Hi Han_Zen! I think I've missed something- why the sudden interest in Rho Cass? Is this the "one named system in the Rift"? (I understand its "RoC" possible link to Drew's "Right On Cmdr" sign off). Just wondering what has stimulated you into posting the RA/Dec axes & Kahina being in London on Vernal Equinox - is this somehow linked to the postulation that she visited Sol to search the Federation database for coordinates to the Rift problem?
I'm at work (so currently brain-dead), but I'm not seeing the link! :))
 
There might still have been a mechanic they were considering at the time to allow this. Now it might simply be a need to be actually present in that region of space for it to show up.

It's likely that it would show up on your available routes in the navigation UI panel (the cockpit one, not the galaxy map) after using an advanced discovery scanner in a neighboring system.

OK guys, thanks. I was pondering along these lines myself- perhaps something to do with the "watch your six" clue, perhaps the dark system being visible against the background of the galaxy but not on the galmap, but I couldn't think how then to jump to something that I could see but not available on the galmap; the UI panel is the obvious in-game mechanism! I want to get out there to join the search but think I should read Reclamation first. It's on my "to read" list & I have it downloaded, but I'm currently already reading Nemorensis (hardback) & Out of the Darness (ebook)- I shouldn't try to multitask like that at my age!
 
Hi Han_Zen! I think I've missed something- why the sudden interest in Rho Cass? Is this the "one named system in the Rift"? (I understand its "RoC" possible link to Drew's "Right On Cmdr" sign off). Just wondering what has stimulated you into posting the RA/Dec axes & Kahina being in London on Vernal Equinox - is this somehow linked to the postulation that she visited Sol to search the Federation database for coordinates to the Rift problem?
I'm at work (so currently brain-dead), but I'm not seeing the link! :))

Rho Cas is just a hard (impossible?) to reach star in the rift region. I just found it interesting because it's written Ro Cassiopeia in other languages. Hence the RO, C connection.

Cassiopeia A was not my 'find'. It is a remanent of a super nova and a very strong radio source (in 2016). It will be gone in a few hundred years. It's position also fits well into the Rift.

I just found it interesting that Kahina went to the place (Cambridge) Cas A was discovered, on Vernal Equinox, since this is the place and time where RA and DEC data fits with what you actually see.
 
Here is a nice picture that explains Right Ascension and Declination relative to Earth's position:
View attachment 108257

It's from this page: http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/time/coordinates.html


As you can see, the 'zero point' is the Vernal Equinox (21th of March).

From Frank Heinrich's page, http://ed.frank-heinrich.net/index.php?title=Galnet_Collection_Senator_Kahina, we can see that Lady Kahina was on earth from the 20th of March to 2nd of April.
That time Was spent in Cambridge and London.

London is on the zero meridian, making astronomical observations easier, because you don't have to offset for time.

Cambridge is the home of a Radio Observatory, that was the first to map several distant radio sources. Among them Cassiopeia A.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Michelson_Interferometer

While Cassiopeia A is now the strongest radio source outside the solar system, it will fade to nothing in a few hundred years (from 2016). By the time of ED it will no longer be observable from Earth. Technically we should still be able to observe/hear it if we went 1300ly from Earth in the opposite direction. I doubt that works in-game. :D

Cas A has most likely become a neutron star, that is very hard to spot from distance. Approximate distance is 10-11 kly,

If we can find another star with the same RA and DEC between Sol and Cas A, it can be used to hold course, by checking our six. This would even work with a star on the opposite side of Sol.

Great piece of sleuthing! Would love to see something like this pan out.
 
Other Neutron Stars in that area

HYPIAE AIM HG-Y D2
EAFOTLS WO-Z D19-9
EAFOTLS AT-U D2-2
EADOTLS FI-B D13-9
HYPOAE AESCS LC-M D7-0

Of course whatever is out there to find could be an any old red dwarf system.
 
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